It was what was said, not how it was delivered (though it was delivered very well). Buckley has the respect of the football world, and is very knowledgeable. My understanding is that the Woods have invested a lot of time and effort into Bucks (including stints in the USA) as they expect him to develop into a senior coach.

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Excellent commentary skills indicate excellent communication skills.
A vital component of coaching.
It pointless having knowledge about the game if you cant get the message across.

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Buckley is a good media performer but has the reputation of being intolerant of those with less skills and ability than himself and has had trouble at Collingwood communicating with some of the players and has been famous for paying out on some of the lesser players at the Pies so much so he had to be spoken to by Collingwood officials and told to tone it down....

I know nothing about Voss as a coach but would view Ratten as the coach in waiting...taking on Voss would probably mean losing Ratten...

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No they don't. Excellent commentary skills indicate excellent commentary skils.

Effective communication is much more complex than whether you can do special comments on a footy game.

But I guess it must be good enough for you.

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Very true and if you read my post, I did'nt say otherwise.
Underpants a bit tight today Jars?

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Just trying out some BV techniques. My last line in that post is one of your specialities.

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Agree with an earlier poster:

Dick does it right. He and the new board will get the decision right - whatever the decision is.

HOOOOORRRRAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I recognised it.
it was the only decent point you made!!!!!

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Fully agree with you. Why do we need to take on a novice Coach if we don't want Pagan. Ratten is doing a great job and would get my vote to take over.

Anyway this is merely specualation because the way we are playing now and, if this keeps on and the kids keep developing the way they are Pagan won't be going anywhere. It looks to like he has gone back to his U19 roots and is building the Side from the ground up with a great spine and a fantastic bunch of talented kids.

Final point! Why doesn't Robbo have a go at Neal Danaher (10 years for no result), Mark Thompson (7 years for nil) or Terry Wallace - 2 years for that rabble on Sunday and he doesn't think he will make the grade until 2111.

Have a look at the hand Pagan got dealt and where we are heading now.

Let's stick with Dennis and give him a chance now that we are starting to get a decent list together. Go the Blues

mark robinson is on sen now talking about voss coaching carlton.

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Didn't Robinson write an article a month or 2 back talking about how Pagan had a raw deal in his position, 6-8 wins would probably save his skin, yet now in this steaming pile he writes that finals/top 4 would barely save him?

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yeah he mentioned that on sen earlier.

he just can't seem to understand how much the board has changed since that debacle last year when denis got sacked and then retained. he kept mentioning how the board tried to get rid of him and don't want him there.

he pretty much repeated everything he wrote in his article and then suggested that pagan might be a coach at another club such as the dees.

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There are a couple of issues here.

1. I wouldn't be happy appointing a head coach who hasn't worked as an assistant for at least 2 years. Watson's 'failure' at St Kilda will make everyone wary of going down that path.

2. I don't think Voss would take a semior coaching job next year, even if it was offered to him. He's a smart bloke, and knows he has much to learn first. Plus, it's much harder to win the respect of a playing group when you haven't proven yourself as an assistant first, and Voss would be aware of that.

Buckley's special comments on SEN at the weekend were top shelf, up there with Lyon and Brereton's insicive analysis. Those three are miles ahead of anyone else I have heard comment on what is happening in a game.

I have no doubt that Maguire is having Buckley primed to coach. As someone else wrote, he has been to coaching clinics in the US already. Would expect to see him be an assistant somewhere for a couple of years, and all being well, senior coach at Collingwood after that.

As for Pagan, he may yet survive, if the improvement is rapid. Remember, his performance at North was amazing, both at under 19s ad seniors, so clearly he can coach to some level. Maybe having some quality assistants around him now is providing a more rounded coaching team, and may help Pagan. After all, coaching here is going the same way as it is in the States, the assistants are taking a greater role, and the head coach is more of a manager.

Having said that, I'd love to see a younger coach in there...Ratten may be in pole position at the moment.

One more thing...Pratt is often quoted as saying that if you are looking for the best person, don't look at those who are available...if they are available, they are not the best. Eade anyone? Worsfold? Roos??

Actually, makes for an interesting discussion. If you could have ANYONE as coach of Carlton, who would it be? For me...I'd probably go Eade actually. Think the two years in the media have transformed him as a coach.

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Bring back the laurel wreath logo!!!

It is all simply 'Media in the 21st Century"

The media nolonger report the news they actually make and become the news story. They drive the news where there is none. It has been mentioned time and again on this site. With the likes of SEN now on air 24/7 they have to have talking points. All the guests are newspaper men with the latest bit of......'nothing to see here, but there might be if we try hard'

The big name, newspaper headline grabbers in all the major papers all cross pollinate throughout radio and TV.

Their headlines and articles appear in the morning rag and they all have TV and radio spots to fill throughout the day/arvo/evening. They need something to talk about & their latest piece of fluff becomes THE talking point for them for their 30 minutes of on-air time.

There is no real news so they create it. Robertson re Pagan, Caro re Lance, Hutchinson re Cousins, Walls with whatever he can think of, Sheahan with his top 50, Fatprick with whatever drivel he spews forth, Carey with his Laidley beatup to get his new TV show some ratings. Sensationalist clap-trap.

On and on it goes to feed the beast and to keep those callers phoning in. Mindless, endless nothing upon nothing.


You'd hope people were sensible enough not to fall for tomorrows fish wrappings but I could be wrong.

Regards Cazzesman

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I think it's a crap story designed to grab a headline.

Good "expert commentary" DOES hold some water when we recall the Adelaide F.C. who employed Malcolm Blight on the strength of his "expert commentary" on Ch.7 telecasts.....his "onscreen diagrams of on ground tactics" were ....at the time....impressive.

He went on to Coach them to 2 Flags......BUT.....he had a heap of coaching experience before that......he wasn't a coaching novice.

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IF we want to replace Pagan, then we should be moving heaven and earth to get Paul Roos to coach Carlton. He took a side that everyone predicted to win the spoon in 2003 to a flag in 2005.

There was a great article in the AFR last May talking about leadership at the Swans, very impressive. Then get Voss as assistant and build a succession plan.

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Agree would much rather target Bucks than Voss. Would be hilarious if we nabbed him after we got Swann.

Its not as outlandish at it seems...

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