Seems that one or two posters are advocating that we would be better served by finishing on the bottom with less than 6 wins this year. And picking up a priority pick. Admiitedly given the way we are playing at the moment we will have to 'tank' to achievce this. I call this the Losing to win or The St Kilda theory

Anyway I have one or two questions re this

1. How long to do these posters think we should sit in the lowre reaches of the ladder? One year Two years Five years? I want to know how long I can go and do other things on my winter weekends

2. What do they propose the club do to maintain membership, crowds and sponsors during this period. What happens if the club goes belly up?

3. What is the plan if the priority picks and early draft choices do not perform, another extended period on the bottom?

Looking forward to some answers

Cheers

Mark

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Don't advocate it, it lacks the pride that this club should have, but if we are going to do a StKilda then you may as well throw Trading Fev for some more low picks into the mix ala Plugger and Hall.

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BM, the crowds and sponsors get excited over comi8ng last these days.
Youre the centre of attraction through draft time, through the trade time and then the club can put a spin on things too...
What people dont get excited over is not being able to see any light at the end of the tunnel.

And if you dont get the priority pick you may as well throw Fev into the mix and see what youll get for him in the hope you can get the picks to help turn your club around.
Currently Fev is a waste. We dont have the players to get the best out of him... by the time we do get them (if we ever get them ) Fev will be 34.

As for pride killpies.. you walksed around all proud last night and last week didnt you???

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Shouldn't that read 'we will NOT have to 'tank' to achieve this'?

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Always proud to be a Blues supporter, doesn't always mean I will like the performance though.

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With all due respect BM, what other options do you offer? How do we recruit prime, topline talent to the club?

We need to maximise our return within the parameters the draft system allows. The system sucks and I hate it immensely. It encourages and rewards mediocrity. It is pathetic. But until we exploit for what it offers we are doomed to perpetual mediocrity.

The 2004 result was the worst thing that could've happened at the club. As I wrote elsewhere, I was calling for the club to aim to finish in the bottom reaches after the aints game last year. Fev, however, decided to be Superman against the crows and fired us up for the rest of the year (in patches). Then the worst thing that could of happened to the club did and we finished 10th, or otherwise known as no man's land. Footballing's version of Siberia.

Yep, instead of being in the mix to pick up a Franklin, Deledio, Tambling we picked up Russell. He might well be great but he isn't dux of class like the other three. If he was he would've been long gone by pick 9.

It isn't just the draft that we can benefit. Also the trade table. We have some extraordinarily BIG contracts coming to an end this year. We will have some serious money to throw around. We may not get all we want but we will cause some discomfort for other clubs in the process.

To me the equation is simple. Will we achieve the ultimate success with this current crop of players? The answer is no, so let's do whatever it takes to improve our situation. And BM, if that means doing the aints method, then so be it. It looks like it might be the most effective way about it!!!

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stop being so logical.. cant you just be trippy when youre talking strategies going forward???

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The reality of the current competition is that you have to be down to go up. I have no problem with playing the youngsters like Santy, Simmo, AB, Russel, Karl instead of McGrath, Bano, Bowyer, TLO etc because we have to realise that most of the recycled players we got will not cut it long term. Denis knows this and using them as the cannon-fodder now whilst we get some youngsters get going.
WOuld you rather win 8 games without giving the youngsters much of a go, or give them a go, win 5 games and get 2 early picks and a good uncontracted player.

Secondly, Fev is untradable. Without him, as we saw last night, our team is not marketable, exciting or competitive. He is with Stevo, TBird and Waite the cornerstones of our rebulinding process.
Look at the tigers, we were laughing at them last year but with a couple of good pickups and two top youngsters theyre going places.
Give us another key backman (Hay?) another solid midfielder and two youngsters and we'll be a heap better off.

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yes but were you proud last night????

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The team that beat us last night by 12 goals has not had a top 6 draft pick for the last ten years.

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

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Yes you can have ex players with the surnames Ablett and Scarlett .they have been rebuilding for 10 years... do you want to rebuild for 10 years being outside the 8 for most of that time???


What are the other ways to skin a cat???


Timeframe??

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Let's not forget, the AFL are currently reviewing the Priority Pick situation, with the likely scenarios either:

a) performance over a 3 year period being taken into account (last year's higher finish may come back and haunt us)

b) the PP's being moved to after round 1 of the draft

You can be sure when Andrew and Adrian see us at the foot of the ladder, they'll screw us big time.

yes, yes it all makes sense, its the only way blah blah blah - but does it feel right? Does it seem like football? is it the right thing to do?

Oh hang on anything is the right thing to do as long as you win, even losing, even tanking, even changing the jumper, to say AFLFC. With the slog 'only losers are winners!'

Gee I love this, i am so proud of it all.

Bit like Howard and Liberal democarcy where all handouts go to the rich - but in a weird reverse sort of way.

The world is mad!

handouts for the rcih in politics

Awards for losing in sport!


Think I'll take up fly fishing....

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Dannyboy, you mightnt like it. I dont like it but thats the system. You cannot not look at how the system works.
were you more proud when we screwed over the poor clubs for their players??
Williams, Perovic etc??
Or used the form fours becauuse that was the system then??
Had Robert Menzies send Jezza to us instead of allowing him to play in Canberra....

We played the game really well in those days.. had the Bendigo area to recruit from when others had dud areas...

You have to use whatever the system is to the best of your abilty.

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at no stage did any side ever play to lose - you advocating an entire season dedicated to losing - comparions are bullshit! This is a sytem designed to never aloow a club to become great, but rather to take its turn.

...good, better, best, shit shit fair fair fair good good good better best, shit shit fair.... Great, can't wait!

But hey lets not question it, lets just lay back and accept it and brag when we reach the top of the ferris wheel and then buy more tcikets when we are at the bottom... What a sporting contest!

What a club!

What a game!

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Dannyboy im advocating what NEEDS to be done to turn things around.
I dont want to win..
If the club and supporters cant grasp thats how things work these days... were really [REDACTED]!!!
Dont you get that if you dont do it (good or not).. we will be like those clubs that havent won a premiership in 40 or 50 years????
Look at Melbourne.. Collingwood... Swans.. Roys... Geelong..StKilda...
We can be the new versions of them.... too proud so will keep being average.

You AVE to use the system... we never used the draft system and now were devoid of talent and we dont want to take a short cut even though its there to be used.
I just call that dumb...

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Synbad i usually disagree with most things you write, but this time i believe you're spot on! You're kidding yourselves if you think winning 6-10 games this year is a good thing. It achieves nothing! The team we put on the park last night and throughout the year is no where near good enough to play in finals. We are a slow short weak team. Even the talls like Deluca and Prenda what did they do last night? Nothing

Our second tier players, the ones who are supposed to be the difference between good and great sides, well shit if they're the ones who are going to take us places then we're in a lot of trouble.

Sure the Wiggos etc put in 100% but they simply are not good enough no matter how hard they try. Say to yourself where woudl these guys fit in at a club like Geelong, Stkilda even Richmond, Hell even at Collingwood i dont think Wiggo and Sporny would get gigs.

As harsh as it may sound we have to start again. We tried it a couple of years back and got screwed beacause of the loss of the picks. This year can be the start. Build the team around Fev, Captain Stevo, T-bird and Waitey. Draft STRONG BODIED MIDFIELDERS! TALL ATHLETIC KPP, STRONG RUCKMAN. No more 188 cm prospects. As much im hoping walks and russell turn out to be the goods, why didn't we draft to our weaknesses. We need big boys in the middle.

This year we need to get a priority pick and start from square one again or we will jsut keep going around in a circle achieving shit all.

MB

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No you wouldnt!!!!

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I understand Synbad far better than you think , most of us do. But that's the head, the heart screams. Oh but hang on this is a buisness, forget the heart - and thats what hurts most of all because thats exactly what the AFL want. A heartless, soulless TV ratings bonanza!

If i can convince the bullants to take on the carlton jumper i think i would follow them and forget this AFL claptrap, use it like BIG Brother or other such crap - just TV shit to whittle away the hours.......

So yes i know, we must join the game afoot, mount up, check the spurs and set forth to dally with the system we all think is [REDACTED] but must embrace - gee much like workers think certain systems are [REDACTED] but have to work for the money -

we are the scabs of the new millenia!!!!!!!

Bow down, take yeah butt filling orders and just let us turn this game into a TV Fest!

Its not the being shithouse that hurts Synbad, its the realization that you HAVE TO BE SHITHOUSE to get any better! Now that hurts because it goes against the very core of sport.

But hey 16 clubs voted for it (and all those except the top three or four must be very happy) so Like I should do with little Johnny Howard I'll just shut and play it their way - that makes sense.

Think I'll do that with all aspects of life.

Lets ban Dole Bludgers!

Lets take the disablked off those ridiculously high pensions!

Lets get single mums to wpork - heck I reckon the kids should be taken off them anyway!

Oh and lets come last for three years, cos gee we'll be a good side then.

So can everyone just shut up about St Kilda or about pathetic Collingwood, watch us embrace their shirt tails of the AFL and bawl for more.

PLEASE SIR CAN I HAVE SOME MORE PICKS!!!!


and they make beggars of us all.


Go BULLANTS!

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