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take off about two or three points from everyone except fev and you'd be about right,


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take off about two or three points from everyone except fev and you'd be about right,


While some of the ratings may have been inflated, as I've explained previously this is more to do with the NAB Cup and what I think is important to see, that statement is a little off the mark.

It completely downgrades the influence that Bentick and Betts had in the game to name 2. While Fev had an outstanding game, it wasn't a coincidence that our comeback coincided with winning nearly all the clearances (due in large part to the work of Bentick) and better delivery into the forward line often going through Betts.

As well as that, the Kangaroos were held scoreless for a quarter and a half highlighting the defensive work of O'Hailpin, Thornton, Walker, Waite. Then you have to consider that the attacking plays were created by these guys as well.

Fev had a great game but I dont think you can say this was a one-man performance because it was anything but, which is the positive things to come out of these games.


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A good read TTD.
I personally rated Stevos game much higher than Waiteys but I'm impressed that you took the time to give an insight.

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Walker - Faultless game as far as I'm concerned. You won't have things go all your way unless the stars align, but Andrew did everything within his power perfectly. Steadied before he kicked, ran smart as well as hard, was prepared to stop and prop and link with team mates rather than charge down the field with reckless abandon. Play like that for 22 games and ensure you're onside with most of your team mates and you're a shoe-in for the leadership group again Andy.

He still needs to find a balance between attack and defence and learn to get goalside of his opponents. The goal Thomas kicked on him was identical to the goal Davey kicked on him in round one last year and he was caught out again hoping for a loose ball to take off on one of those runs. But if you compare him to someone like Andrew McKay who didn't debut until he was 23 and was AA in his first season I think he will get there.


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Walker - Faultless game as far as I'm concerned. You won't have things go all your way unless the stars align, but Andrew did everything within his power perfectly. Steadied before he kicked, ran smart as well as hard, was prepared to stop and prop and link with team mates rather than charge down the field with reckless abandon. Play like that for 22 games and ensure you're onside with most of your team mates and you're a shoe-in for the leadership group again Andy.

He still needs to find a balance between attack and defence and learn to get goalside of his opponents. The goal Thomas kicked on him was identical to the goal Davey kicked on him in round one last year and he was caught out again hoping for a loose ball to take off on one of those runs. But if you compare him to someone like Andrew McKay who didn't debut until he was 23 and was AA in his first season I think he will get there.

I'm going from one viewing - which of Thomas' goals is that?

EDIT: Walker was not Thomas' opponent in the lead-up to either goal. Watch the footage again (like I just did).

Goal 1 - Houlihan - goes to ground after an aerial contest involving another Carlton player and Moran, who gathers it while on the deck and dishes off to Thomas. Walker was trying to chase down the bloke kicking into the 50 (should have paid closer attention but I think it was Sinclair) to Moran. Walker made the journey down in an ultimately vain effort to get to the contest.

Goal 2 - Downfield free kick to Thompson after Sinclair got collected after a kick by Firrito. Sinclair runs hard and receives the next kick, where Jackson leaves Thomas to line up on the mark. Thomas then runs into a small pocket of space and receives from Sinclair uncontested. Walker arrived late in another desperate attempt to effect a spoil. Walker's opponent had jogged off to the corridor for some reason with his back to the play.

Next. 8)

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Great stuff!

BUT

according to the AFL site
http://www.afl.com.au/Season2007/MatchR ... fault.aspx

Saddington had an ordinary game and Gibbs didn't even make it onto the park

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I guess we will never be truly satisfied until the score reads:

Carlton: 31 goals 31 behinds 217 points

Opposition: 0 goals 0 behinds 0 points.

:P :P :P :P :P :P

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AGRO wrote:
I guess we will never be truly satisfied until the score reads:

Carlton: 31 goals 31 behinds 217 points

Opposition: 0 goals 0 behinds 0 points.

:P :P :P :P :P :P


Don't they need to score at least one point to ensure it adds to our percentage?

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AGRO wrote:
I guess we will never be truly satisfied until the score reads:

Carlton: 31 goals 31 behinds 217 points

Opposition: 0 goals 0 behinds 0 points.

:P :P :P :P :P :P


Don't they need to score at least one point to ensure it adds to our percentage?



Well if we let them score 1 behind in Round 22 - that would give us a Percentage of 477,400%. :shock:

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AGRO wrote:
camelboy wrote:
AGRO wrote:
I guess we will never be truly satisfied until the score reads:

Carlton: 31 goals 31 behinds 217 points

Opposition: 0 goals 0 behinds 0 points.

:P :P :P :P :P :P


Don't they need to score at least one point to ensure it adds to our percentage?



Well if we let them score 1 behind in Round 22 - that would give us a Percentage of 477,400%. :shock:


I'd be pretty pissed off if we only converted half of our scoring shots. :wink:

Try 47.15.297 :-D

Then we'll have a percentage of 653,400% :shock:

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I'd be pretty pissed off if we only converted half of our scoring shots. :wink:

Try 47.15.297 :-D

Then we'll have a percentage of 653,400% :shock:



30 goals 30 behinds - has a special significance to those of us who can remember that game against Hawthorn in 1969. 8)

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AGRO wrote:
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I'd be pretty pissed off if we only converted half of our scoring shots. :wink:

Try 47.15.297 :-D

Then we'll have a percentage of 653,400% :shock:



30 goals 30 behinds - has a special significance to those of us who can remember that game against Hawthorn in 1969. 8)


Ah, touche :)

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30 goals 30 behinds - has a special significance to those of us who can remember that game against Hawthorn in 1969.


Beautiful. Just beautiful.

I was still pretty young to understand the nuances of the game, :? but I'd seen enough games to know that was no ordinary game; that was HEAVEN.

I was on that cloud for so many beautiful years (emoticon for content) till the Swans beat that longstanding record on a small cricket ground, but not an Aussie Rules ground!

Since then, heaven means heaven to me because it was achieved fair and sqaure on a real footy ground, and it was and still remains last century's greatest score ever.

But since that Swans game I've had a gripe, and that game doesn't only remind me of that one heavenly game in 1969.

I suppose even if we do kick 30 or 40 goals to 1 behind, we'll always have some kind of a gripe. :?


Great review jimmae.

You've been in top form this year. :wink: Really enjoying your analysis this year and written to eloquently.

Walker is still in my Top 5 players in the whole AFL in 2007 (and I've watched every game on TV); and imo he's definetely the game's most damaging HBF in the whole comp. Potentially for the rest of this decade.

So far in 2007 Walker has been better than experienced Carlton captain, Lance and Chris Judd who was regarded as the game's best player in 2007. Not bad company.

And he's ours. :-D

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timetodeliver2004 wrote:
kwtf_ wrote:
take off about two or three points from everyone except fev and you'd be about right,


While some of the ratings may have been inflated, as I've explained previously this is more to do with the NAB Cup and what I think is important to see, that statement is a little off the mark.

It completely downgrades the influence that Bentick and Betts had in the game to name 2. While Fev had an outstanding game, it wasn't a coincidence that our comeback coincided with winning nearly all the clearances (due in large part to the work of Bentick) and better delivery into the forward line often going through Betts.

As well as that, the Kangaroos were held scoreless for a quarter and a half highlighting the defensive work of O'Hailpin, Thornton, Walker, Waite. Then you have to consider that the attacking plays were created by these guys as well.

Fev had a great game but I dont think you can say this was a one-man performance because it was anything but, which is the positive things to come out of these games.


I see your point, fair enough.

I'm just salivating at the idea of this current team progressed three years.

There is a picture in my head of Murphy standing one foor on top of the bodies of a slain Ben Cousins, holding the decapitated head of Judd. Adam Goodes begging for mercy.

It's a stretch. But we're going somewhere.


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You're very generous timetodeliver2004. Inside Football did the same exercise and gave Fev 9, Stevens & Waite 7, a few 6's and lots of 4's and 5's. Over the 3 games 22 for Fev is as high as anyone has managed.


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