I'm interested where Lance is going to play and how that will affect his captains duties...with Kennedy at CHF and Waite at CHB are we going to see Lance down forward or doing his Jason Cloke thing across half back.

I would have kept Kouta captain for one more season and then given the job to Marc Murphy.......agree with PJ's concerns over Lance's fitness and his preseason efforts with Heath Scotland.
If you are going to rule Fev out of the running due to his off field drama's in Ireland I think you have to be consistent and I would have applied the same logic to Lance.....love or hate Kouta he doesnt tarnish the brand name with childish behaviour off the field and Marc Murphy ticks all boxes with regard to maturity, behaviour and the way he conducts himself and is the logical long term leader...

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So Lance is captian....

...well, you'd have to say the club owed it to him


[sound of crickets]


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[anybody??]


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Lance for Captain is the best move the Club could make at thie present time
Fev was great last season, but this season he could be unpredictable with the bingle/wife breakup.

Stevens gets bagged ever game l went to so why would you want to make him captain.

Walker would be lucky to be in the best 10 players at Carlton. So you can't give it to him.

Lance for capt is the best choice the club could make, unless you were wearing a blindfold last year he was the leader on the field. Fev was the inspirational leader in some hard plays each game, but the main was the BIG RED.

Every time i come on to this site there is just guys bagging the club/players everytime, your meant to be supporters not anti-supporters. Yes we have had a crap few years, but this year is the most positive it has looked in the last few years, so get behind the club and stop bitc$#hin like richmond supporters ok

Lance n Blues 2007

p.s. im a Fev fan, walker and stevo fan, so no bias at all

As mentioned by others, I'd prefer someone who can handle the media a bit better, but so long as he leads his troops well, that should be all that matters.

Good on you Lance, show us how it's done!

GO BLUES!!!

(A bit bloody daft he was out watching the sun come up recently then. We could with some "better" leading from him I'd dare say.)

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Yes fair point DUC. Time for Lance to get some intensive media training. He can improve on this - remember Kouta when he first started playing he was absolutely shocking.

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I actually agree with you PJ, people here mention consistency like it's not that important - it is very important. Would much prefer Stevens, yes Lance is the captain and good luck with that, but don't expect all of us to agree with it or be happy about it.

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Suck it up all you dissenters - he has it for the whole season so now it is up to him to prove the doubters wrong. Time to move on and just 6 days till we take on the Scum.

Go Blues!

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

Honestly, who really cares how they sound in the media aslong as he gets his team mates fired up and showing leadership out there on the field and in the locker room is the main thing.

To be honest Kernahan and Kouta l dont think were the best at facing the media, even pagan cant put a full sentence together without going umm err etc. So who really cares about that BS.

Support the club n stop looking at minor issues like that.

SUPPORT NOT ANTI-SUPPORT!!!

Yes, lets just have low standards hey Goltzenberg?
That way you're never disappointed.

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Whether or not you like it Whitnall is the best option for captain at present

Sounds like everyone is awaiting for Whitnall to fail so everyone jumps on him.
Kouta lead Carlton to two Wooden spoons as captain so give him a fair chance and go ok.

Only future capts at this stage look like Murphy and Gibbs. I think murphy would need one more year atleast before he can take the role on. Gibbs would need a year or 2 under his belt aswell.

For the time being , Whitnall is the best choice so stop waiting for him to stuff up and jump all over his back. If Pagan changes his coaching style then you will see a more successful Carlton Year.

Agree BV, not the most inspiring choice but the cupboard is pretty bare at the moment until the young guys get more experience.

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"our electorate seeks less to be informed and more to be validated." Sad times.

I think we all care about Carlton: the team, the brand and the 17th Flag.

The opposition supporters or general football community (outside Carlton)couldn't care one way or another if it's Lance or Stevo as captain.

We though, rightfully care enough to 'debate' who should lead us. Murphy will be a great captain one day (in a few years)...and who knows, it may be Gibbs. But prgamatically speaking, today it's a 2 horse race between Lance and Stevens.

Lets put Carlton supporters opinions aside for a minute, and look at the things that are most important to Carlton supporters:

The team:
Lance does have the respect of the team for his ability and football smarts. He has proven to be the best player in the team in the B & F, whereas Stevo's 2006 is one he would rather forget.

In 2006, it was lance marshalling the players on and off the field when Kouta was captain; so it's natural for him at 27 to lead. The players are use to him as a leader and that's what matters; it's only some of the supporters (off field) that have the problem with that.

The Brand:
As far as the outside community is concerned, including the media, Lance is considered a footballer's footballer; so he's respected (despite the fact that he has been chastised a few years back when he was over weight...but that was out of respect for his potential, and minimum expectation of a professional.... and that was a few years back)

There is no doubt that he's one of (if not THE) smartest players in the AFL, and the media regard him highly as a footballer, Key Forward or Key Defender. He came close to AA CHB, and was only beaten by Chad Cornes; that's saying something.

Whilst he may not be great with the media, he can improve, just as Kouta did (remember Kouta couldn't string 2 words together). Maybe Lance will understand that this is area he needs to improve, and that can be fixed....drop the Bob Hawke mannerisms.

The 17th Flag:
I don't think that Lance will be captain of our next premiership team (I presume that will be post 2009), and in saying that, the question should be, is he the wrong choice for 2007 and perhaps 2008 and even 2009?

IMO 2007, no problem, and as for 2008 and 2009, all I can say alot of things can happen in football, and we should worry about that when the time comes. He is there to guide, inspire and encourage our kids.

As mentioned Murphy, Gibbs or someone else....will be captain of our next premiership team; not Lance. If it happens to be Lance, then obviously our recruiting, coach, game plan and choice of captain were decisions that were the correct decisions made by the board. All the ducks need to be lined up to win a flag...and we're on the right track now.

IMO, he's worthy of captain in 2007, and reallistically, it's no big deal whilst we're rebuilding this club; dual captains, whilst I don't care for, I'd take that too for 2007.

I can understand that some board members would prefer Stevens, and there's good reason too lean that way, but that will happen in any club...personal choices will always exist in this kind of debate; everyone's right when they look at the positives.

Lance as captain in 2007. So be it!

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Blue Vain - I will be very dissapointed if Carlton have another bad year. I just dont see the point in bickering and bagging your own footy club.

Whitnall is the best man for the job this year without a doubt. Decisions been made so support the man.

I wouldnt be suprised if Pratt chips in 4million to the club and someone has a go at him for not putting in more

Thats your opinion, not fact.

Personally, I'd give it to Kouta again.
At least I know Kouta sets the standard for turning up for an AFL season in impeccable physical condition. He is a boring media performer but at least he can string sentences together and is measured in his offerings.

I've attended several club functions over the past few years and Kouta always makes himself available to the members and sponsors. Lance often stands in a corner with a few other players and gives the impression that he doesnt want to be there.
Perhaps he is shy or introverted but he appears rude and disinterested.

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That's exactly the point though - they weren't that good at facing the media. Kernahan played during a time where media performance wasn't so important, we were winning, we had blokes like Jack and Parkin carrying the media profile.

Kouta was an uninspiring media performer, and it has cost us at the time where we lack sponsors. Collo likewise. Smorgon likewise, Pagan likewise. Sponsors want exposure through success, or failing that, exposure. We can carry dull media performers like those 4 if we also have a smattering of polished public performers.

Why do you think a shithouse side like Collingwood have sponsors coming out of their arseholes?

Because Eddie is a media performer. Because Bucks has big media exposure.

Fev is a raw media performer, but we have no-one that's able to really defend AND sell the club. It's been that way for 5 years. We can't afford more of that when we now actually have something to sell! Youth! Hope! Excitement! An upturn in finances!

Lance WILL have to develop this side of his ability, he'll be the leadership face of the club, and while blokes like Pratt coming on will give us more media credibility than we've had previously, to simply write off media ability as being unimportant in this case - in Carlton's case - as you have done is in my opinion wrong.

Not being captain shouldn't and doesn't stop other players from promoting the club in the media, handling press conferences and radio interviews. That kind of stuff shouldn't rest just with the captain.

Stephens, Simpson, Walker, Fevola and Murphy will all have a role to play in assisting Lance with the off field stuff.

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Would he be the first 'filthy ginger' (redhead) to captain the club?

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How do you know that?

I've heard Murphy give more interviews this year than Lance has done in the last 5.

While I don't want to kick Lance, his media presentations have been sparse and lacking of any emotion.

I'm not worried though, as I know Murphy will be captain in a few years. Blind freddy can see that.

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I think the above post by Bluehammer is the best argument for Murphy to be made Captain...yet giving the role to a 12 gamer just would have been ludicrous given he has played half a season and has not experienced all the facets of the AFL yet.

Lance fully deserved his b&f last season. Stevens and Fev would make good deputies if this news is true...until then - I'll get behind whoever tosses the coin - but as far as i'm concerned Lance is captain of defence, Fev is captain of the forward line and Stevo captains the midfield.

Kouta is still the general and Murph is the prince who will be King before too long.