i asked about Ant Pratt and Synbad said he is not involved but that may not be the case afterall. A fantastic get if it happened.

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Gotcha Mordan

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If the inside is defined as the inner sanctum of one of the groups, then the answer is definetely no.

Answer is 'Yes' as far as my take on it, and how I understand how politics works, and taking into considerations what at least one of the potential challenging tickets' strategy....but with regards to the former question (factual), what I can say is...

most TCers already know of at least the Brown group and his comments, so there's one faction, then there's the challenge that posters refer to on this forum, so that's 2, and there was another group of really dusgruntled members that I consider group 3, and probably young Cam would still be out there with his anti Pagan campaign too (only a guess), and surely others I haven't heard of either.

London Blue eluded to a group of very wealthy contibutors putting a reasonable ticket together a few weeks ago, and that's the one I've heard a bit about, including some names...quite impressive in terms of names and numbers, and that the whole offer wasn't quite ready.

What else is there? it seems that theres a ground swell, consensus and cross polination with the main groups...all have the same charter to get this club back to where it belongs, and there's been a few hiccups with non commitments from some of their candidates (that's normal), and new commitments....they are the ones I'm sure Synbad, Kaplan and others refer to....but as for the timing execution, I've heard different to those posters (so may not be the same...just smells of the same sums of money) will be determined when all the ducks are lined up...ie no half arse attempt....and surely one can see last night was not a coup attempt.

If last night was connected to this latter group, then I would dare say my interpretation of the events were just as I said, and I wouldn't be too disheartened by this at all. Hey it may never happen...and that's part of politics too.

I think that Synbad and Josh are correct (from what I've heard) to say that money will come to the club if Smorgon is not President. But before any coup, or attack by stealth on my club, I prefer to see the challenger's offer, their plan and the committment of the sums of money in the public arena for discussion before any coup or challenge happens...

I like democracy and I like a winning plan...and I think this group knows that any change in this club must be done in an honest, above board and orderly manner, because there are a hell of a lot of members that don't want to elect a ticket with a hot headed approach, lacking class that tarnishes the brand. They are the ones that elected Smorgon and support pagan.

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from what i have heard that who ever is behind the challenge have a secret weapon.... it could be they might rid the club of debt, a fantastic CEO who knows just wait and see i say.

Malouf along with Sticks and Smorgon have to go... they went behind a few backs and did some dirty work to get rid of Pagan

Malouf has lost support and so has smorgo

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Pffft, last of my problems Melvey.

The club is currently baring its arse for the AFL and the media everytime it wants something. We have lost any independence we had.
What happened with Pagan is insignificant. Get over it.

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Thanks for clarifying bondi.

I like what you're saying and hope you're on the money. As much as Synbad runs around trumpeting the challengers, those who don't have inside knowledge really don't know what or who we're dealing with.

Hopefully it all plays out in public, all factions get their chance to make their case and the members get the chance to select who they want to take the club forwards.

So far it's all been boxing at shadows and politics through the media so I'm not too confident it will all play out in the proper manner. We can be hopeful though. Just have to remain patient, which I'm struggling with at the moment.

If Synbad said that he is not involved then surely he can't be, right?

Yep would be a great get, one thing that surprises me is that everyone is an expert on here - we only represent a small amount of supporters - the everyday supporter is guided by the media

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Bull flower shit.

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Mordan wrote



Regardless of what I've heard or privy to, what you say above is exactly how I feel. I have deep concern with the whole shadow boxing campaign here on TC; personality attacks, slander and gutter talk does not help the image of the new ticket. But yeah, no none knows what is really going on except the inner sanctum of the new ticket, and they are playing their cards close to their chest.

I'm struggling too...it is taking a bloody long time to pull a strong ticket together along with the money they would require to deliver a change to our status quo.

When humans are involved...anything can happen....so steady as she goes.

Friday....boo!...gotcha again Mordan.

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I'm not quite sure what to make of this deafening silence from these mooted challengers to the current board.

Is it a shrewd tactical move to allow time and space for the incumbents to self-destruct, or are these faceless men simply reluctant to come forth in fear of being shot down in a messy brawl (with reputations tarnished)? It seems a little optimistic to expect a friendly hand-over, so perhaps these challengers need to roll up their sleeves and get cracking. Less talk of Fridays, and more action.

Or is it all going to plan?

Smorgon, rhymes with Gorgon (of Greek mythology fame), which is derived from the Greek word 'gorgos', which means 'Terrible'.

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What a laughing stock we have become, when there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING that we can do effectively in the Board Room apart from flip flopping like a friggin fish our of water.

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or is it just one huge hoax that is being played on you by a few people who have nothing better to do with their time?

C'mon Speedy, play along! Lots more conspiracy theories to come yet...its only November!

Ruckus, the only reasons I can come up with is that they were confident of being able to achieve a bloodless coup and have people step aside. I think Smorgon is too stubborn for that. Alternatively, the best chance of taking over is through the others stepping aside because at a vote it will be hard to dislodge Smorgon and Kernahan in particular because of a) stabilisation of the finances (in that letter) and excitement at the Draft.

DUC...its not flip-flopping. It seems as though its 2 sides in disagreement.

Rubbish. We're the best in the league at winning the #1 draft pick.

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