If Brown goes top ten I'll be jumping up and down for joy, especially if it meant someone like Proud or Collard drops through to our second pick. With Brown I wouldn't be happy with us picking him up with picks 17 or 19 let alone wasting a top ten pick. From what I've seen there are better prospect available in this draft

So then Synbad whats the reasonable trade for T-Bird?

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There wont be a reasonable trade for T Bird is he leaves.

Much like Fiora for Black..

We will get what were given... thats all!!

T Bird right now is not as important as what this whole TBird episode represents.

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Let's hope they are the right people Synbad, but your track record is not impeccable. About 10,000 posts ago you were aggressively pro Pagan and pro his hard line with players. I doubt he has changed much why have you? His strengths/ faults were clear when he arrived - old fashioned disciplinarian, simple game plan etc. I didn't think they were ideal qualities then, and don't now. But if he is on a contract and we can't afford to pay him out where do we go? New committee? then in 6 months we can call for their blood. And in terms of Thornton being asked to be the key defender, isn't that a good thing? So now he wants to go to a club with quality support like Zac Dawson. What are these new people going to do? ARe they bringing $7m with them. If the young players are so desperate to jump ship why have the various others signed up. I can imagine there would be players at any club with gripes - many legitimate, but why would Thornton have a gripe? You compalin that some players are asked to do too little, some too much. Do they want a clause in their contracts that stipulates how many minutes they play and who their opponent can be? The players seem to have gone from everything being their fault to nothing being their fault. MAybe touchy feely Clarkson will give Thornton a big hug everytime the other defenders let him down. Maybe it is time for players to stick fat. Enjoy their 330k and work hard to be in a great side in the future. HAve a look at Michael Voss. Stuck with the most disfunctional club in history and ended up captaining 3 flags

Represents one player that was on our list this year. Betts and Fisher re-signed, no issue.

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He's a Judas and a sook who doesn't have the heart and balls to work hard for this club. I don't recall Burke and Harvey leaving the Saints despite the fact they were a rabble who were worse than Carlton.

I love insulting someone else's intellect to make a point.

Maybe he's sick of playing with unaccountable teammates who make his life hell down back and covering for some of those teammates in defence.

Agree with Synbad and Clem...need to clean up the house before Gibbs and others arrive or we will have more leaving.
Thornton is within his rights to want to jump ship...he wants a secure future and a pleasant stable environment to work in...we cant offer that.
Hawthorn are on the way up and seem to be a well run stable club with good youth development....the Hawks are a tight unit and have good team spirit and bonding...Hodge will be a fine leader who the troops will follow.
Its all well and good bagging Thornton but for three years and just under a mill there wouldnt be many of you knocking that back under the circumstances....

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Absolute garbage. Why the hell are you so negative all the time?

We hold all the cards. All of them. Four or five clubs are interested in Thornton. We have the PSD pick number 1. We don't have salary cap issues. We can demand what we want from the Hawks and if they don't give us something decent we give them the finger and go talk to the other clubs, or we wait till trade week is over and then use the next two months to convince Thornton to stay. I don't know where this "we will get what were given" garbage is coming from

the vast open spaces of synbad's mind....


real estate is quite cheap in there, mind you it's always raining and you'll have no neighbours.

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I think Synners is saying that we have clowns running the club - so given they are responsible for the environment created at the club, what makes you think they will pull a rabbit out of a hat?

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I still have hope that Thornton will re-sign with us. He is a required player and we just need some big names to go around to his house and talk about it. We can't afford to lose him by any stretch of the imagination .. it seems as though Carlton aren't doing too well at the negotiation table .. we are putting together a hard nosed approach but we can't afford to lose 22 year olds after investing so much into them

I'd hope he could re-think his decision and stay. But his actions smack of some one that is stuborn and selfish. One that has already made his decision. He wants to walk away from the club that gave him his chance, he wants to walk away from his mates. He wants to be closer to home. Reminds me of a mate of mine... we call him softy. Thats what you are Thornton soft. We need to get the best deal done for Carlton if he goes. If not send him to the PSD and hopefully he can end up at the Roos.

And I'll look forward to seeing Murphy, Kennedy, Gibbs, Bower, Jackson, Carlos, Raso, Flint ext next year.

We didn't trade Campo for rubbish. We don't have to trade Thrnton to the Hawks, just as Lions don't have to trade Aker to the dogs.

..listen, Thornton is a good player.. ..he's not a great player.. ..he looks better than he is, because relatively speaking with our backline he is.. ..but going to the hawks for a fresh start is all crab movement.. ..goin' sideways and nowhere fast.. ..in a few yrs the hawks senior players will retire and they'll be suffering just like we will.. ..they got lucky in a few wins this yr, otherwise they'd have been closer to our win/loss account.. ..they're coach hasn't always got rock-sloid support from their board either so in my opinion he's just a kid hoping to make a fresh start.. ..but he won't.. ..and Fev will kick an even dozen on him..

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Clem Ill be the first to admit I havnt read the last 6 or so pages but if thats the case we are in worse shape than ever in our history.

He has never come out and said he has a problem with Pagan publicly and he did state he wanted X$ which we matched. Then that not being good enough he now wants green pastures(hey dude not always the case when looking over fences).

If this spineless little prick came out and said (knowing as we all do the Dorks want him) Pagan has lost the playing group and im sick and tired of all this shit, thats the real reason Im going - Well he'd have my respect!

Fact is he has used the media for his contract negotiations and made MY club look bad, incompetent etc etc at a time we can ill afford it.

To those who say it was his Manager his manager acts on his behalf whether expressly or implied and therefore as a locically thinking person it is more than fair for me to think these are Bret's actions and no one elses.

So given he doesn't have the balls to tells us Pagan is the problem but may say if the club gets rid off him - well I dont care if the prick is Jesus @#$%&! Christ - he has not integrity and is not wanted. He had his opportunity to show his character and he has.

Any 10,000 prior to that Pro Whitnall. CG where are you now.

What a completely naive comment.

Which wins did Hawthorn "get lucky" in?

Which senior players do you expect to retire in a few years? Crawford...who else?

What makes you think that Clarkson doesn't have the full support of the board? They had no hesitation in handing him a new contract mid-year remember!

Lasla likes the Hawks. ooooohhhhhhhhhhh

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Lance Whitnall and Chris Grant in the same league...you're kidding...

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Past your bed time hey James?

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