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I'm not 'un-happy' that he won it! I think he is very valuable to this team and some of the things he does goes un-noticed.

Like setting up plays around the ground..................you just don't get a stat for those types of things.

Personally, i would have given it to FEV!

But while i'm happy (and proud of him) for Scotland in his improvement this year, i'm kinda glad he didn't win.
Playing off Half Back this year is the best possible way to rack up possesions each and every week. And i think todays game is just way to 'Stats' focused. It's like, if you nab 30 possesions you've had a good game.......... :roll:

Not at all happy to see Nick Stevens come in 5th spot. I must have been watching a different Nick Stevens this year!

Congrats to Simmo & Walker for great years! NOBODY would have predicted these two to poll so highly at the start of the season.

For what it's worth (and it's probably not worth much) my Top 5:-

1. Fev
2. Simmo
3. Whitnall
4. Walker
5. Scotland


That's the medal count there but i would put Walker and Scotland ahead of Whitnall and Thornton


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Apart from malarki ... noone has been able to tell me how many goals Lances opponents kicked on him from CHF (When he has an opponent)

He is a dead spot on the field... his little arms working furiously telling his team mates where to go to block the space around him.

Didnt deserve our best n fairest... huge mistake as captain.. just as Kouta was a mistake to be re-signed.

Lance will be further exposed next year.

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Apart from malarki ... noone has been able to tell me how many goals Lances opponents kicked on him from CHF (When he has an opponent)

He is a dead spot on the field... his little arms working furiously telling his team mates where to go to block the space around him.

Didnt deserve our best n fairest... huge mistake as captain.. just as Kouta was a mistake to be re-signed.

Lance will be further exposed next year.


What do you want from Lance we had the second worst defence in the league by over 300 points. It is easy to say how many goals did his opponts get but if the delivery is coming down non stop what do you want the bloke to do the ball is in our defensive 50 more then most clubs so his bond to get goals kicked on him.

How many times did he take marks in defensive 50 at on stage he was leading the league for marks inside defensive 50. An yes he did have a man he wasn't loses

You cant say he didnt derserve it that is a blight on the John Nicholls medal. Your just trying to save your own ass with your comments about lance last year. Why is it hard for you to say you where WRONG.

He will be Captain next year so get over it.

Lance will not be exposed next year either. but will have to wait on see on that one.


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Lance 6th on CFC 1%ers per game.

Scotland 18th.

Fev 23rd.

You need to be carfeful when using subjective perceptions which can be checked via reference to actual statistics.

For reference, Lance had the same no of tackles per game as Bret Thornton ... funny about that. :wink:


HP i love the way you pull those stats out of nowhere. I suppose that puts an end to any accountability comparison with Scotland who just happens to be arguably the most unaccountable footballer going around in the AFL.


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Bottom line is, we can tell you how many best & fairests Lance has won this year ...


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I thought Lance was always going to go close to winning it, but I still think he is better suited in the forward line. In one on one contests he was beaten quite often and obviously not great once the ball hit the deck.

Excellent as a 'floating' defender though.

Still, stick him back in attack I reckon.

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I've never quoted stats as the reason why I thought he had a good season.

For all those Lance critics who want to know his 1 per centers, amount of goals kicked on him, etc ... do your own f$%king research. Lance doesn't have anything to prove to the likes of you after winning the B&F. Find a new scapegoat or would you like us to find one for you :roll:

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Id love to know how many goals Whitnalls opponents kicked this year.... :lol:


Ah but Synners I thought he had no opponents...and no role... :wink:


Well obviously its clear he doesnt as he just lets his opponent unaccounted for.. and he needs his opponents HANDPICKED for him!!

His fitness went down and Rocca smashed him, when Whitnall had previously done a good job on him earlier in the year.. There are many examples! His first half was good but he really went down the gurgler in the 2nd half!

Might have something to do with Whitnall's diet and once again not taking the issue SERIOUSLY!! Well, he can enjoy his Krispy Kremes now!!! :lol:


Facts would be nice why let that in the way for a good laugh. Taking cheap shot only gets you so far.



K H P M HO T
Round 1 02/04/2006 Melbourne 10 5 15 9 0 1
Round 2 08/04/2006 Fremantle 18 4 22 4 0 1
Round 3 15/04/2006 Sydney Swans 9 5 14 2 1 1
Round 4 21/04/2006 Hawthorn 18 3 21 16 2 2
Round 5 28/04/2006 Richmond 18 4 22 12 0 1
Round 6 07/05/2006 Collingwood 16 10 26 17 1 1
Round 7 14/05/2006 Essendon* 13 4 17 6 1 0
Round 8 21/05/2006 St Kilda 19 8 27 15 1 0
Round 9 27/05/2006 Adelaide 9 7 16 6 0 0
Round 10 04/06/2006 Port Adelaide 21 9 30 8 3
Round 11 11/06/2006 West Coast Eagles 15 6 21 9 0 3 0 0 0 0




Round 12 23/06/2006 Kangaroos 10 5 15 5 0
Round 13 01/07/2006 Brisbane Lions 14 3 17 6 0
Round 14 08/07/2006 Geelong 14 9 23 7 2 0
Round 15 16/07/2006 Western Bulldogs 10 6 16 7
Round 16 22/07/2006 Essendon* 12 10 22 8 6
Round 17 30/07/2006 Fremantle 11 4 15 4 0
Round 18 05/08/2006 Melbourne 9 9 18 10 1
Round 19 13/08/2006 Hawthorn 11 3 14 2 1
Round 20 20/08/2006 Richmond 16 7 23 12 1
Round 21 27/08/2006 Collingwood 9 3 12 11 1
Round 22 03/09/2006 Sydney Swans 2 6 8 1 0

But stats can be meaningless! Like Synbad said, I wonder how many goals Whitnall had kicked on him..??

His tackle count is another blight on his performance which shows a lack of accountability.

Sure, Whitnall was OK this year.. but far from our Best!

The bad things evens out alot of the good things he does on the field..

Trade him to the dees for a 2nd round pick or if theyre desperate enough, a round 1 pick! Now thats forward thinking and looking to the future!

WHITNALL is a has-been!



Yes.....a has-been. Sure. Just won our B & F. Keep trying.


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Just won our B & F.


So did Teague, McKernan and Koutoufides

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What a load of crap this is.

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blueboy8 wrote:
BlueBlood-101- wrote:
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Synbad wrote:
Id love to know how many goals Whitnalls opponents kicked this year....


Ah but Synners I thought he had no opponents...and no role...


Well obviously its clear he doesnt as he just lets his opponent unaccounted for.. and he needs his opponents HANDPICKED for him!!

His fitness went down and Rocca smashed him, when Whitnall had previously done a good job on him earlier in the year.. There are many examples! His first half was good but he really went down the gurgler in the 2nd half!

Might have something to do with Whitnall's diet and once again not taking the issue SERIOUSLY!! Well, he can enjoy his Krispy Kremes now!!!


Facts would be nice why let that in the way for a good laugh. Taking cheap shot only gets you so far.



K H P M HO T
Round 1 02/04/2006 Melbourne 10 5 15 9 0 1
Round 2 08/04/2006 Fremantle 18 4 22 4 0 1
Round 3 15/04/2006 Sydney Swans 9 5 14 2 1 1
Round 4 21/04/2006 Hawthorn 18 3 21 16 2 2
Round 5 28/04/2006 Richmond 18 4 22 12 0 1
Round 6 07/05/2006 Collingwood 16 10 26 17 1 1
Round 7 14/05/2006 Essendon* 13 4 17 6 1 0
Round 8 21/05/2006 St Kilda 19 8 27 15 1 0
Round 9 27/05/2006 Adelaide 9 7 16 6 0 0
Round 10 04/06/2006 Port Adelaide 21 9 30 8 3
Round 11 11/06/2006 West Coast Eagles 15 6 21 9 0 3 0 0 0 0




Round 12 23/06/2006 Kangaroos 10 5 15 5 0
Round 13 01/07/2006 Brisbane Lions 14 3 17 6 0
Round 14 08/07/2006 Geelong 14 9 23 7 2 0
Round 15 16/07/2006 Western Bulldogs 10 6 16 7
Round 16 22/07/2006 Essendon* 12 10 22 8 6
Round 17 30/07/2006 Fremantle 11 4 15 4 0
Round 18 05/08/2006 Melbourne 9 9 18 10 1
Round 19 13/08/2006 Hawthorn 11 3 14 2 1
Round 20 20/08/2006 Richmond 16 7 23 12 1
Round 21 27/08/2006 Collingwood 9 3 12 11 1
Round 22 03/09/2006 Sydney Swans 2 6 8 1 0

But stats can be meaningless! Like Synbad said, I wonder how many goals Whitnall had kicked on him..??

His tackle count is another blight on his performance which shows a lack of accountability.

Sure, Whitnall was OK this year.. but far from our Best!

The bad things evens out alot of the good things he does on the field..

Trade him to the dees for a 2nd round pick or if theyre desperate enough, a round 1 pick! Now thats forward thinking and looking to the future!

WHITNALL is a has-been!


This guy just won a B & F for my club. He's peaked and he's only 27.

OK Synners may have a point in that he is SELECTED to be the loose man in defense and it suits him; no opponent etc. But don't go bagging him, second guessing that his opponent may have had more possessions and goals against him (asking with convistion or inuendo) when he's loose. Why do you think Fevola has had 2-3 opponents against him this year. Where's their opponents?

You can't have it both ways. Whitnall was either:

exceptional at reading the play and plugging holes where needed; using his height, weight, timing and marking skills to ffect, or

beat his opponent on the day,or

was beaten by his opponent on the day,or

was soundly beaten by his opponent, or

he was beaten by his opponent in the 1st Q or 2ndQ till his was swithched to the forwarline and was one of Carlton's best players.

There's 22 rounds of footy. A whole season of scenarios. He marked the ball more that 90% of AFL players...and so on. He had a good year.

He was beaten IMO once this year against the Swans, round 22. But as I keep telling myself whilst watching the game, he made position, he used his body, but he wasn't put in a situation where he was beaten by pace, strength, height or weight in that game. He played where and how the coach wanted him to, and the rest was destiny. He won the 2006 B&F.

Don't worry, Lance is capable of fulfilling realistic roles he is given anywhere, anytime, when he's fit, at least till end 2008. But whatever he is, he fits in somehow in this game of Aussie Rules one way or another; whether it's brain, body or both. He's got the x factor. One thing, he's not a rover.

Other than trade him, most commentary has been negative toward's Whitnall's back half positioning, which happens to be a decision made by his coach. Most posters preferring him to be playing in his 'rightful' position in the fowardline (any forward position). The main reasons for that have been: he can make position to our advantage; can give make our forwadline a 2-3 prong attack; can use his brain to isolate opportunities for himself or Fev, and others to advantage, and he would teach the kids in Kennedy in particular (and Fish, Waite...) the ropes of the game and the forward line; and, or, hasn't got the pace for a back half position.

Well the most important thing Carlton can do before he goes (and maybe returns later) is to extract that knowledge of this game he can impart to our 30+ kids before he's gone in the next 2-3 years (whilst th kids have another 7 years ahead of them). IMO he's got a better footy brain than Pagan, and probably just about anyone; but that's in front of him...and that is of use for CFC.

Right now, 2006, he has won the B&F in a position not playing in his best position. I wish I could do that. What I do know is that there's a HUGE difference between athletes and footballers. It's really what this game is about. That's what Whitnall is about. He's a footballer first.

Think about it, you can't have a team with the same type of player. It doesn't work. It takes many types to make a great team. Whitnall is not a tackler, probably because he's using his body to mark the ball, or he's trying to bust the pack. You can't do that and rove as a defender. He's not a rover. He's more of a body to body player, shepherder, tap on expert.

Appreciate him for what he is. This year, an opponentless defender that won our B&F. Consider that he has a big role in our club and you will see it; it's in his righful position fully fit. He's past trading, especially if he gets the captaincy, and therefore he's ours. If that's the case then I want him positioned to our best advantage, to make the most of him whilst he's still playing; whilst he's still here.

Lance should play FP in 2006, playing to the wing as he sees fit, and coach and position Kennedy, Waite, Fish, Fev, Hartlett and everyone else so that we kick a winning score, and build a winning team. He may be BV's playing-forward coach over the next 1-2 years.

Give us a couple more years like this one, but in the forwardline, till the end of 2008 and I'll be more than happy. Who knows, he may play his 250th in 2009. Just make sure you let the the coach know where best to play him to our advantage in the meantime, and you'll be much happier.

Whitnall for playing forward coach 2007.

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Just won our B & F.


So did Teague, McKernan and Koutoufides

But Lance isn't a soft outside player like Goddard. :wink:


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Blue Blood you're an idiot.

(I was actually going to write an intelligent response to your argument but I thought a response on the same intelectual level as your argument was more appropriate.)

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Whitnall also finished third last year.


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Blue Blood you're an idiot.

(I was actually going to write an intelligent response to your argument but I thought a response on the same intelectual level as your argument was more appropriate.)


Listen here you little sheep, you're no where near my level of intelligence! It seems it's too hard to come up with yiour own arguments and poor teddy bear cant put up his own view as an adult..

You're a joke.. And thats what you expect from this once great club! I suppose Teague was a star also! And the match committee got that right! Fev and Scotto were far better than Whitnall this year... and Whitnall was ordinary on average during the last 8 or so games after a pretty good first half!

Fact of the matter is, he should be traded NOW because he will be finished in 3yrs... 4 years MAX! His body wont allow him to go on like other players...

Continue to follow the leader, young sheep... We're in a rebuilding phase and, while lance was OK this year, he is NOT OUR FUTURE!

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That's enough boys! stay away from personal insults or cop the yellow cards.

And try and take the hysteria out of some of the posts and present your opinions in a reasonable manner. You might get some reasonable responses back.


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YEAHHHH............

what Mrs Cee said...........well done Mrs Cee.........!

great work...........!


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BlueBlood-101- wrote:
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Blue Blood you're an idiot.

(I was actually going to write an intelligent response to your argument but I thought a response on the same intelectual level as your argument was more appropriate.)


Listen here you little sheep, you're no where near my level of intelligence! It seems it's too hard to come up with yiour own arguments and poor teddy bear cant put up his own view as an adult..


I actually know Teddy...he happens to be one of the most intelligent people I know. And as for being a sheep...well...couldn't be further from the truth to be honest.

But I am with Mrs C...I think the slagging off on this site is disappointing...why can't we accept that we have different opinions, and that that is all they are...opinions?

We're all on the same side here folks...never forget that.

He signs off...and as he does, he has a message for Teddy...you're an idiot. And Gertrude Stein punches his in themouth. (it's a joke, folks. Teddy'll understand)

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Was it really Lance Whitnall playing the first half and Shane the Second half or the other way,lol this is just a joke,ha ha


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let's hope setanta has a massive pre-season and he can take the job at CHB and "free up" lance.

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The carlton Best and Fairest AKA The Kiss of Death

2002 - C McKernan (traded 2003)
2003 - A Mckay (Retired 2003)
2004 - D teague ( ?Delisted 2006)
2005 - A Koutoufides (Given 2007 as his swansong - should have been retired)
2006 L Whitnall ???What does the future hold

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