Anyone ever entertain the thought of Pagan going to WA to watch Gardiner for the sake of the aints, instead of the Blues? The aints are looking for a quality ruckman, too!!!

This is the conspiracy theory in me....

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

I think Everett maybe back in the Saints Radar now that Grant is gone

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CFC TAC Squad everyone over 25 must be traded sounds like Loguns Run

The link between Stride and Pagan is peripheral to it all from my understanding. Along with Joseph, Archer and Stevens, the real "brains" behind the business is Ian Foote. He is the guy charged with the responsibility of conducting the interviews and making the recommendation to the Saints board, as he also heads the consulting company that works out of the same building as Stride. The connection being that Butters is a close personal friend of Foote and trusts his counsel on business issues. Given the link with Stride and its ever expanding list of athletes, the advice is doubly important given the mix of business and sport. From what I hear I would be amazed if Pagan got the gig...Longmire appears to be the frontrunner at this early juncture. Sure there is the Joseph connection but unlikely to amount to anything - different story if the Carlton board had not reaffirmed Pagan and were still dilly dallying!

That's the good oil at the moment.....rumour is he was signed, selaed & delivered 2 weeks ago. Won't Grant be even happier to hear that if were to be true!!!

Was it also true that Carlton spoke to Harvey at that same time.......hmmmmm

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yeah, i think Harvey has got the job too!

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Happy Days Are Here Again!!

Was Jennifer Hawkins going to coach Carlton

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Carlton - Nothing's changed
I still love you, oh, I still love you
Only slightly, only slightly less
Than I used to, my love

I'm not happy with this post!

Barry Mitchell IS NOT a back-stabber. I think even Pagan knows that! Barry Mitchell has been made out to be the bad guy in this situation!

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Then Barry has absolutely nothing to worry about. His job is secure in 2007.

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....I thought Butterrs was going to do the job?



They won't pick up Pagan....nor should they....they are marketting obsessed and see PAgan as a negative to that.
Longmire (successful with Swans) may be one that fits the mopuld...but who knows or cares...I think they will take longer to recover than we will...
In fact I think we are closer to a flag than they are at the moment.....

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Greg Lee

I wonder if Dr.SHERRIN knows anything about this.

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"there’s more chance of me becoming the full forward for the [Western Bulldogs] than there is of any change in the Labor Party." Julia Gillard 18-05-2010

On SEN this morning a punter rang in and said that Harvey had been interviewed twice in the past for the Saints job and had felt he was treated poorly both times. Apparently refused to be interviewed as he is not interested in the job. For what its worth, Watson said that the Saints arent rebuilding, they are ready for a crack right now and need an experienced coach. He said that he thought Pagan was the guy they should go after. Just conjecture on SEN, but food for thought??

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On reflection - I think their list is ordinary at best. you look at what they will lose this year;
Peckett
Thompson
Harvey?
Powell

Limited lifespan on;
Gehrig
Hudghton
Milne
Voss
Hammill
Baker

Serious Qs on;
Rix
Blake
Fiora
McGough

Yet to fully develop;
Goddard
Clarke
Clarke
Fischer (s)
etc etc

Leaves;
Reiwoldt
Kosi
Hayes
Ball
Del Santo

In 2 years we'll be above them on the ladder

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There list certainly has its limitations. But I think it will be pretty hard for their board to explain to their fans that they've blown their chance, and it's time to start rebuilding again. They have small window while these guys are still there

Gehrig
Hudghton
Milne
Voss
Hammill

But after that, it's shows over. They have to make a go of it now.

No, i don't think it is....................and there in lies the problem.

Every story needs a bad guy. Sadly, the writers of this story have put that title onto Barry.

Look, i've been attacked for saying this before but i honestly do not believe that Pagan and Mitchell see eye-to-eye in terms of 'coaching', and that's the key reason as to why i believe people are saying that it'll be either one or the other next year.

Did Mitchell stab Pagan in the back to get his job? No. God no! Micthell was probably just asked if he would be interested in the role and said 'Yes'. What else is supposed to say? NO?

But things are obviously not working with the two of them in the coaching staff together. And sadly, i think Mitchell will be the one to go.

I'm on Mitchells side. I think he would make a great coach and i LOVE going out into the 'Bullants' huddle and listening to him talk to the boys.

It hasn't happened to many times this season because we've dominated the comp so much, but when that 'extra' effort has to be added or we need to 'lift' just that little bit more or just 'step-up-' a gear or two............Mitchell knows how to get the boys to do it.

Sentanta is a classic example of how good Mitchell is with these kids.
Ditto Kennedy (I believe Kennedy looks more 'at-ease' and 'comfortable' playing in the Bullants than what he did playing with Carlton, although he did lack game-time!!!!).

But on the other hand, i can't go out into the Carlton huddle at qtr time breaks to listen to what Pagan is saying. All i've got to go off is that less-than-impressive speech he gave at the 'Farewell to Princess Park' game before the boys ran out.............and that's not enough to judge.

Hopefully................................................

Pagan sees that things need (and MUST) change for Carlton to go forward. He's 'out-dated' game plan needs addressing, new & fresh ideas must be taken on board and perhaps some assistance is required in regards to 'bonding' & 'forming' a better relationship with the players!

It's doubtfull.........................but i'm hoping Pagan can see Mitchell not as an Enemy, but as a handy assistant that can bring some ease and (more importantly) some sucesess into his final years of coaching.

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One of their deficiencies is a lack of real pace. Aussie Jones' retirement was a blow. I wonder what happened there, because if I'd been Thomas I would have been begging him to go on. And yet he said that Jones had told him he didn't have the passion to go on, so he accepted his resignation without trying to talk him around. The run out of the backline suffered, and certainly Peckett was never going to cover Jones' loss. Gramm picked up the slack a bit, but doesn't have exteme pace.

Their midfield is good but lacks the line-breakers. Ball was limited perhaps by his injuries, and may be faster next year. But Hayes, Del Santo, Harvey and Goddard (if he plays midfield next year), don't have great toe. Xavier Clarke's injury hurt them, but does he have the ability to fill that gap? Really, their only fast outside midfielder is Montagna, and Milne is unlikely to be a reliable linkman. They remind me a bit of the Pies' midfield, although they have greater talent.

Their ruck stocks are worse than ours if you ignore Kozzie, and he is a week-to-week proposition.

Their lack of tall defenders matches ours. Max is their Thornton, but Maguire won't be back for real until 2008.

And Gehrig and Riewoldt are their only 2 dominant key forwards (assuming Kozzie is in the ruck), and Gehrig may hit the wall anytime from now.

Good summary, but how does the board perceive their list. Either their board has decided with a ruckman, a coach and a good run on injuries they might pinch one yet. Or they think they're still 4+ years off list wise so they may as well get a young coach in now to find his feet.

Precisely!! So would you want this list?? Nup .

They recruited Goddard instead of Wells
Ball instead of Judd - could be slightly forgiven
Clarke instead of Hale
McQualter instead of Rusling

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Hope your joking right?
That has to be the most ridiculous statement I have heard. I am praying that it was a sarcastic comment. At the moment we are not closer to winning a premiership than Stkilda however I think Carlton will win another before St kilda coz we are Carlton F*ck the rest!

People are deluding themselves here in a big way. Now I hate the f#$kers as much as anyone but their list has so much more depth and talent its ridiculous - thats why they smash us by 15 goals every time they play us these days!

Their young players sh!t all over ours and to suggest we are going to win a flag before them based on the list at the moment is sheer lunacy.

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EXACTLY WELL SAID!