Just make sure you don't quantify our improvement, cause we have actually got less points this year than last year.

good point speakers - I missed out on the most obvious gauge of success didnt I!

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Fraser Brown did not make his money from the football club. His family, has everyone forgotten who his mother is and her success, run the Grosvenor Lodge Machinery and waste management business.

I dont here people asking Smorgon or Pratt for a lazy 5 to 10 mill

http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... hp?t=12393



Yeah, good one CG.

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This caused quite a stir at the time. Big names involved - perhaps Carlton's biggest.
Let's hope Wangers is on the money.

Wes Lofts?

Did you mean big by girth or big by history?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost. ... ostcount=8

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Big Nick?

Jezza?

Loftsy?

Doull for president!!!! He mightn't say much but he'll never not say much either

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Or is it just a cruel rumour to keep us interested?

No his family were very well off before his carlton contacts ever came into play...

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PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WON'T SOMEONE FORM A RIVAL TICKET AND GET RID OF THE BOARD AND THEN GET RID OF PAGAN!!!!!

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Yep This Board must go - and I for one am almost glad they did the great Pagan backflip of 2006 - means now we have a chance that this Board will go and not retian power through sacking Denis.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

We must be extremely careful with whatever action we as members of the Carlton Football Club take from here. I, like many of you here was one of the people who voted the old board into extinction & jumped on the collo & Co bandwagon, we were all excited when DP got the coaches job, a couple of people who were mentioned in the Brown article put there names to the carlton one ticket, SOS even sat on the board.

But since then we have had a steady exodus of people from the club starting with Kenny hunter, our current board has very little resemblence to the board that most of us fought so hard to instill.

My question is why, why have all these people who were so passionate gone?

I don't believe the standard lines of business interests etc:

These blokes were so fired up & commited to bringing us back to better days, if that was the case why have they all bailed out BEFORE the job had been finished.

Collo reappointed DP after a who cares cup win, when he still had a year to run on his first contract, massive @#$%&! up imo.

We need a massive clean out at the top, board & coaching panel.

But before we do this we need to discover solid options & put a solid 5 year business & coaching plan into place.

My question is who can we get to make this happen & how can they show us that it isn't all just words, like those who have gone before.

We cannot afford to make a mistake this time as it may finish the club.

there are some big decions to be made & I am not sure that any of us really know what to do

In order to simplify the unsimplifiable, from this point forward there are two worldlines that can be chosen.

One, under the Pagan, will result in a very similar world to that which we have now.

It should be noted however, this 'Pagan world' is one that is ultimately unsustainable and because of the course of events to date, has limited future potential.

However, if a choice for a fresh change presents itself, there are 3 different trajectories into which this new and untried worldline can move into.

1. Our blue world probably won't get worse

2. It probably wont stay the same

- So what do you think the third option is?

For all his faults, Fraser Brown's open and frank comments could be the start of a real chance to create a new Carlton worldline and see it become a reality.

But like all new opportunities, there are risks and there are also potential benefits..

Are we bold enough to sieze this opportunity?

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now you're just scaring the shit out of me blueman

@#$%&! worldlines

I just wanna win the 17th cup!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Hey Ms Belle..............

i don't know how to tell you this darl.......but Steve Irwin died.........!

yeah sweetheart....earlier in the week...........!

so the whole...."prime minister" thingy.........i don't think it's
got legs........!


kindest regards tommi


mwaaaa

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Steve Irwin died
did he get stuck by a sneaky leaker?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Tommi - say it aint so....alright then, Peter Brock

I think alot of the problems on and off the field stem from the fact that people have become disheartened - nobody can really grasp how deep in the shit we are, and as a club we're not used to having to endure this sort of stuff for such a long time.

As time goes on and nothing appears to change, enthusiasm and the best intentions wane - its hard to keep getting up off the mat.

I'm not sure what the soloution is - I was a big supporter of the new board, but I admit in recent years I'm seeing the same mistakes repeated - but who will come in - who wants to be on our board for teh right reasons?

I'm not a huge fan of past players - without strong business background (Ie fitzpatrick) its more tokenism, and we dont have room for that right now.

I stilll maintain my stance that I prefer pagan to the other options being floated (including mitchell) we've always said it would take at least 5-6 years to see the benefits of the new regime - we've put up with four years of shit so far (in the grand scheme of things 4 years is not that bad -certainly not pleasant, but historically its miniscule)

In my opinion turfing pagan now would be more destabilising than beneficial. we have to perservere - not just give up when something gets too hard.

And please dont patronise me, I too know many players and people within the club - of course they're miserable its a tough job, but pagan isnt there to be their friend, hes there to push them through this. DO you think Leigh Mattthews or Malthouse or Sheedy are soft and fluffy when it gets tough? These kids are getting paid 50K+ per year to kick a piece of leather around, if they cant handle it then they can chose another career

Bottom line is that theres no magic wand or quick fix - much as I would like to see one. I just believe the current course of action with shit flying everywhere with each party trying to push their own agenda is incredibly destrucive - sure the media looks for a bad story - but we dont make it hard for them

no wonder we struggle to attract sponsors when we cant even manage something like this internally.

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