Smorgan & the rest of the board hopefully have figured out by now that no matter what they do they are going to be crucified in the media. If they don't change anything their sitting on their hands, if they sacked Pagan last night its a kneejerk reaction, if they think on it and meet again their indecisive. Meawhile the media roll out their trusted old cliche's on political infighting, clubs a rabble etc etc. Guess what: the same cliche's have been used on every wooden spooner and will continue to be used on all future wooden spooners. My only hope is that they thrash out all possible options, make an informed decision (not a decision to appease media) and get on with it.
This talk of how it will affect Pagan if he is retained is rubbish. He has been around footy long enough, is old enough and ugly enough to know this is what happens when you win back to back spoons. I'm sure (unless I've grossly over estimated him) he is profesional enough to get on with the job if retained.
In my opinion this club has been guilty of sitting back and letting things happen since the draft penalties. Some heated discussion or political in fighting whatever you want to call it regarding making the right decisions to get this club back to where it should be is exactly whats needed.

Great post.

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Current leak has it that there'll be an announcement soon (probably today or tomorrow but hopefully before the B&F).

Pagan gone.

Mitchell almost certainly in but that may not be announced at the same time. Mitchell to be backed by ex Blues.

Of course they may change their minds again...

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I don't know if it's been reported elsewhere; but SEN reported this morning that 80-85% of SMS's received at the Station were pro Pagan staying..................surprising, if true.

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I don't find it surprising at all. The average supporter is very different to the hardcore spend-all-day-on-an-unofficial-CFC-website supporter.

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Doesn't surprise me at all Warby.

Carlton supporters have been through the wringer over the last few years and sacking a coach feels like more agony and chaos to most supporters. We tend to forget that we spend a ridiculous amount of time thrashing out issues in here and that our opinions aren't necessarily representative of the "average" supporter.

I only decided I couldn't continue to back Pagan a short time ago having previously believed that he had little to work with initially and a lot of crap to deal with. The reason I can't support him now is because I don't like what I'm seeing in the way that he deals with the side on matchday. I'm not "anti-Pagan" as such and I don't think I was ever a "Paganite". I just think that now that he's had ample chance to institute good systems and effective plans and I'm not seeing the evidence that that's happened. His matchday tactics are stale and inflexible.

If it wasn't for the time I spend online talking about these things (and the time I spend offline talking about these things to people I've met online) I'd probably still be backing Pagan too.

I might even be inclined to ring a radio station.

Well, maybe not...

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For all his faults, Pagan has done a lot to rebuild the club.

In our situation the scale of the rebuild required to bring us back is one that wil inevitably burn a coach or two.

If Pagan knew what he was in for when he took the job on Id say he wouldnt have taken it.

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Backflips on backflips...

anybody thought we are just a smaller part of the bigger picture???

Hint: what do these words have in common?

Smorgon... trampoline... Beijing.... Olympics...

Remember, we don't have to pay Pagan the marketing portion of his contract because that part of the contract was never signed.

As for backflips, it's a bit hard to go back on a decision that hasn't even been made. Defies the laws of gravity.

Why does it need to be seen as a backflip if they needed extra time to make or indeed support a decision made?

It doesn't but there have been certain board members wavering which has led to the mixed messages.

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Verbs,



Not sure that is entirely true.

regards
Ockham

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Just being mischievious.

Verbs,

Sorry, I should have realised.

regards
Ockham

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Wavering is OK. End result is important.

Such is life on a committee. Anyone walking in there expecting a unanimous decision isn't being realistic, definitely when a lot is at stake. Without Big Jack making the decision, something like this won't be decided in an instant. No doubt both the pros and cons were discussed and discussed and discussed and discussed, and will continue to be. Someone will say something in an attempt to influence others, some will be influenced and change their mind. Others won't. And this will continue until a decision is agreed upon by the committee.

Surely people would prefer this to the "old way"???

I have long been patient with Pagan for all the obvious reasons.

What does concern me in our games is our very basic lack of skills....E.G. our passing to team mates invariably fall short of the player; enabling turnovers....it almost seems to be deliberate that the passes are "a bump ball"; and that the opposition are awake to this failing/habit, and are easily able to whisk the ball away.

I find this to be the MOST frustrating facet of our play.....we get the ball in the open under no pressure; and pass the ball so that it hits the ground in front of the intended team mate; making it at best a 50/50 chance of us retaining the ball.

Am I the only one that's frustrated with this?....it's pretty basic stuff.

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Warbler I hear what you are saying but I actually get more annoyed with the passes that constantly get kicked over our heads, the amount of times that it looks like our players are running under the ball due to poor kicking is ridiculous.

One of my main complaints with Pagan is the manner in which we lose, every 4 games 10 goals plus. If I hear one more person say 'we have been competitive this year' I will throttle them. We haven't been, teams that have won by less then 40 points against us have coasted in the latter stages eg Port Adelaide, Hawthorn (twice), I haven't checked but how many games were we really close to winning - the Eagles match comes to mind but apart from the draw that's all that I can think of at the moment.

Finally people that ring/sms radio stations are usually the vocal minority that are opposed to something, the silent majority don't call in because they are contact with what they believe is about to happen

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We have been competitive this year.

why I ought a!!!!! [shakes fist angrily]

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