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Why can't the club just say that Denis is gone and that we are searching all avenues for a new coach if that's what they are doing?


Amen - the whole situation is a debacle.


Because they have no idea what is out there in terms of potential coaches and they would be mortified if they had no-one to lead the club come draft time.

Let's keep Denny on a long rope until we see what else we can find. :oops:

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What a waste of time and effort last night. Lets hope the rumoured ticket comes out sooner than later to end this pathetic boards reign at Carlton.

DP may not be the right coach for Carlton at the moment, but the way this has been handled is a disgrace and Denis has every reason to tell them all to get [REDACTED].

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I got bored and went to bed last night. So let me get this straight:

1) Brown offered to pay out Pagan if he was replaced by Mitchell and the old boys club.

2) At least half the board didn't think this was the right option, and would prefer the club to go through a proper process if they're replacing the coach.

3) They can't guarantee Pagan's position because nobody really wants him to stay (if we think this whole debacle has made Pagan's position untenable, they probably do as well).

4) So they are now going off and working out if they can afford to pay Pagan out without Brown's money.

Sounds to me like the board is doing exactly what the supporters would want/expect them to be doing, as many have articulated on this site in the lead-up. It's the politicking and back stabbing by this cabal of past players, with Sticks at the heart of it all, that I find disturbing.


I think your'e right nightcrawler, but my views on 1 aspect are different. I believe that its a very good thing what the past players have offered to do and very good that their up & running enough to put a funded proposal to the Board to hopefully benefit the Club. If only we had more people doing this.

Theres always going to be politicking but as long as they are trying to benefit the Club... I say Go For It.


I suppose it's a question of whether they're doing it because they love the club, and honestly believe they and Mitchell could coach it better (hey, a lot of people on this site of said that in the heat of the moment before!), or whether they're doing it because they see the club as their personal plaything and they just want to get themselves back in the door.

If it's the former, and they're confident that Mitchell is the right guy, then he should stand up in an open recruitment process.


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No aspiring gun coach is coming to a club like us...

People are kidding themselves if they think we have options....
Mitch would be put into place because he would do it.. because he understands where were at.. and the kids need an environment to enjoy.

Getting a big namer to deflect responsibility from the board ju7st wont happen.

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According to Jim Wilson in the Hun... the club got frightened because people called the club wanting Pagan to stay on...

This board is weak!!!... they cant make a hard decision....

Its amazing how soft the leadership is and they expect the club to turn around...


http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 22,00.html


Some board members dont think Mitchell would be the right man.... (because he isnt high profile)...


flower! Hammer, we should ring up about the bloody notches. :lol:

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Synbad wrote:
No aspiring gun coach is coming to a club like us...

People are kidding themselves if they think we have options....
Mitch would be put into place because he would do it.. because he understands where were at.. and the kids need an environment to enjoy.

Getting a big namer to deflect responsibility from the board ju7st wont happen.


I find that difficult to believe. There are only 16 senior coaching gigs in the country, and vancancies only open up every 2-3 years. There will always be a reasonable field of candidates.


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The fact the board didn't make a decision last night is not a big issue for me, but it is a problem how disorganised and divided the administration is at present.

The leaks, the amateurish review and the indecisiveness with respect to retaining Pagan is bad for all people involved with the club, whether it be supporters or those within.

It was an atrocious situation in 2002, but I feel we are in a worse state now:

* finances are as bad, if not worse from a revenue perspective
* on-field performance is about the same
* there is even less unity off the field than four years ago, and I never thought that possible.

Where's George Harris?

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FWIW I believe that last night was the club and Pagan just negotiating the settlement and they couldn't come to terms. So at the end of it they have agreed to meet again to come to terms. Or the board just couldn't agree on who the new coach should be and will sound out other options.

I agree with most on here that it is disapointing we didn't get an answer last night but the other view is that they are taking all the time necessary to make the correct decision???

Either way Pagan is gone and for that I am happy.

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No aspiring gun coach is coming to a club like us...

People are kidding themselves if they think we have options....
Mitch would be put into place because he would do it.. because he understands where were at.. and the kids need an environment to enjoy.

Getting a big namer to deflect responsibility from the board ju7st wont happen.


I find that difficult to believe. There are only 16 senior coaching gigs in the country, and vancancies only open up every 2-3 years. There will always be a reasonable field of candidates.


Well i dont fing coaching suicide difficult to believe.

We dont have a plan and we have a reactive board...

So it might be a coaching job but as supporters we think te board/club is a joke.
who used to go for the Doggies jobs????

Plus we have that big war chest to pay a coach with...

dont kid yourselves or youd make a great candidate for this board.!!!

Mitch is the obvious best candidate

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Mitch is the obvious best candidate


But that can't be right Synners. According to the HUN 80 per cent of callers to the Carlton switchboard want Denis to stay. Of course, the fact that their names are Roos, Wallace, Eade, Malthouse, Worsfold, etc doesn't count...


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Settlement wasn't discussed last night - that'd be crazy to do at a Board meeting - you could be sure Ron Joseph would have been there if it was.

Mitchell has rubbed some up the wrong way - I'm with Wes Lofts all the way on that call and always have been. Mitchell won't be the coach - but I've no doubt he'll be offered an extension to his assistants position.


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I really don't like the sound of the 'Brown Deal'.



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Where's George Harris?


Hi Jack, here I am.



And I concur with kingkerna. I think Pagan's gone and they're sussing out candidates rather than just going straight for Mitchell who may still get the position.

Likely Pagan settlements may also have been part of the discussions but perhaps only at an internal level rather than a negotiation with Ron Joseph.

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I've got no complaints about the meeting or how anything has been handled, because I've got no idea what's been happening behind those closed doors. I'm not prepared to make a whole lot of stuff up in my head about how this has happened and who said what etc. It's just a meeting which the media has latched onto like the second coming of Christ. How people can come to the conclusion it's a debacle and the review is amateurish is baffling.


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Hi Jack, here I am.



And I concur with kingkerna. I think Pagan's gone and they're sussing out candidates rather than just going straight for Mitchell who may still get the position.

Likely Pagan settlements may also have been part of the discussions but perhaps only at an internal level rather than a negotiation with Ron Joseph.


Is this how they would have done it in your day George :-D


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Back in the chair George, and I mean the Presidential chair!

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As our once great club continues to explode and political in fighting is now at its bickering best.....I wish somebody would stop and remeber what this great club was all about and how much joy it has bought to people over the years and the who's who use to love to been seen at the club but not anymore....

We need positive energy to return to the club....it is a amazing feeling and it would spread thru the club rapidly....

Its time to bring in new people from the top down....and in no way should mitchell be coach he has been there to long and has been there from the Briattiain era thru to the Pagan era...we need fresh ideas from outside the club and you will be amazed what will happen to this club....we have a core of a good list with Fevola, Stevens(yes stevens), Kennedy, Walker, Simmo, Lance(yes Lance), Thorton, the irishman and his brother, Bower,Bentick,and lets not forget the man who is going to take us to the Promise Land MURPHY!!!!!

All we need now is somebody to make them believe we are good enough to compete.........

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Can anyone confirm that Fitzy was at the meeting? If so I am sure that should fill most of us with confidence seeing we believe he is the messiah, better to take longer to make the correct decision then too rush into the wrong one to please the masses.

This crap about people ringing the switchboard is hilarious - since when does the club take notice of irate people phoning in?

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Jarusa wrote:
I really don't like the sound of the 'Brown Deal'.




it smells a bit - but if I was destitute on the streets and my old employee wanted to give me some $$ well.... I'd bite their hand off!

Fraser Brown is a businessman, as is Richard Pratt. Both Carlton men, with the same colour money. Who gives a rats that he might have received a brown paper bag in the past!

Pay Pagan out (ie that is up to $1.2 million we don't have to find ourselves - thats 6,000 members), and take the best performing coach at the level below the AFL. Or compromise - thanks Dog for the cash - Pagan is gawn and Mitch gets an interview.

We are not in a position to (a) refuse cash and (b) not sack Pagan. as to (c) who is going to coach? lets work that one out in the coming weeks.

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But that can't be right Synners. According to the HUN 80 per cent of callers to the Carlton switchboard want Denis to stay. Of course, the fact that their names are Roos, Wallace, Eade, Malthouse, Worsfold, etc doesn't count...


Molly that is gold!!!!


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