Coaching Axe Looms for Denis Pagan

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 10:56 pm

We've got form on sacking the coach on the B&F eve, Kermit. Just ask britts.

JK · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:19 pm **Posts:** 2188

What a friggin long 5 years its been..
so depressingly, failure riddled five years.

SHHH! · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:44 pm **Posts:** 890

uncle john wrote:

Synbad wrote:

The board gets their review come election time.

Who's putting a challenge together at Board Level?
Is that what you meant??

Like him or NOt
JE spoke very well on Aw the other week.
He spoke about a ticket being organised.

Ch10 Sports tonight ids reporting that the End will come at the meeting tomorrow night!
Might happen earlier depending on what station you watch although if you watch fox footy it mightn't happen at all!

JohnM · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:04 pm

By the way, I wholeheartedly disagree with the theory that you remove Pagan's assistants in 07, then get rid of him at the end of the 08 season. Elshaugh is rusted on to the point where Pagan insisted the club is contractually obliged to allow Pagan one assistant of his choice.

Undermining the senior coach by stacking the coaches box with unwanted assistants is hardly going to bring out the best in him, is it?

So why would we do that, and then subject ourselves to two more years of Pagan?

The answer is simple: either the board believe he's the right person to develop our list and get the team playing cohesive winning football over the next few years, or they don't.

If they do, he stays. If they don't, he should be given the arse without any further delay. The stakes are just too high for inaction.

It's common sense. Not just for a football club, but any business.

CarltonClem · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:04 pm

At least Elliott can't be on it by law.....

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35280

Deano Supremo wrote:

That's football.

Good lord I wish we'd get out of this seemingly endless tailspin.

Frustrating as buggery.

uncle john · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:13 pm

Josh Kaplan wrote:

What a friggin long 5 years its been..
so depressingly, failure riddled five years.

Talk about coming down to earth with a thud .... THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD .........

Now all this shit!!!!

Still .... here we all are, approaching midnight, neglecting the family, looking for answers ......

Once you've been bitten by the Bluebug ........ !!!!!.................. :wink:

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:18 pm

uncle john wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

What a friggin long 5 years its been..
so depressingly, failure riddled five years.

Talk about coming down to earth with a thud .... THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD .........

Now all this shit!!!!

Still .... here we all are, approaching midnight, neglecting the family, looking for answers ......

Once you've been bitten by the Bluebug ........ !!!!!.................. :wink:

Yeah.

Regardless of all the shit, WE ARE FAMILY, BOUND BY OUR NAVY BLUE BLOOD.

Wojee · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am **Posts:** 35280

Deano Supremo wrote:

uncle john wrote:

Josh Kaplan wrote:

What a friggin long 5 years its been..
so depressingly, failure riddled five years.

Talk about coming down to earth with a thud .... THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD THUD .........

Now all this shit!!!!

Still .... here we all are, approaching midnight, neglecting the family, looking for answers ......

Once you've been bitten by the Bluebug ........ !!!!!.................. :wink:

Yeah.

Regardless of all the shit, WE ARE FAMILY, BOUND BY OUR NAVY BLUE BLOOD.

And an undying love of pinking shears.

Deano Supremo · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:23 pm

They can take our draft picks, our home ground, our money, BUT THEY CAN NEVER TAKE OUR PINKING SHEARS

tommi · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:26 pm

Right on brother..............!

kindest regards tommi

camel · **Posted:** Mon Sep 04, 2006 11:35 pm

I think *if* Pagan goes and Mitchell arrives he'll very much be in the Alastair Clarkson mould. He has no reputation to uphold, he won't be the next big hope, merley the realisation and confirmation that we're in the shit and it's a long way out. The good thing is it will be kids all the way, and with any luck they'll a) get solid game time week in week out and b) be encouarged to have a bloody crack week in week out with no fear of failure.

If in two years time Mitchell is not right, then it won't be the drama it is now to not renew his contract.

Dunstall spoke interestingly about Clarkson tonight on On the couch â€¦ he said, after 5 weeks when the Dawks were 4 and 1 the meedyah was bagging the club for not re-signing the coach. Ten weeks later when the win column had had bugger all entries and plenty in the loss column the meedyah wanted the coach ousted. The point being one needs time to judge the task being performed by key personnel. Whether it is right or wrong I think Denis has had his time. It's not about guessing if another person could have achieved better results in the 4 years Denis has had. It's just that, IMO, Pagan's time is up.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

If Mitchell is chosen I hope like hell we follow the 'Hawthorn 2005' model with a coach under instruction to play as many kids as possible and finish low on the ladder.

We need 4 wins or less next year.

steve · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:06 am

Why get rid of Pagan then?

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

steve wrote:

Why get rid of Pagan then?

Exactly.

That's what I'm worried about.

I smell 2004 all over again.

malbi · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:32 am

I was never in favour of Pagan's appointment in the first place. It was a last ditch grab by Elliott to gain some votes from the faithful. Elliott went, but Pagan stayed on. Since then the game has developed and it has been clear that Pagan has struggled to adapt. The time for change is now. We can't afford to wait any longer. Some Carlton supporters will die in the next couple of years and they deserve a better farewell.

Kouta · **Posted:** Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:01 am

It's Blue murder - H/S.

Lofts doesn't rate Mitchell and believes a payout to Pagan would be suicide.

As does Collo. :roll:

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"I don't think he's anywhere near it," Lofts said. "He's a little survivor. He survives on his wits and playing up to the ones that matter. I don't think he'd be a senior coach."

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As for the new president, Graham Smorgon, Lofts is equally unimpressed. "I think there is a worry with the administration. There's a lack of football background and expertise at the top," he said.

"I think Smorgon is hopeless, to be honest. I think he's a square peg in a round hole. Apparently he's not even liked very much in his own fraternity."

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"Once you get away from 'Sticks' (Stephen Kernahan) there's really nobody there with any football depth, especially when you compare it to the old days when we had Jack Wrout and the like to keep the winning culture going," he said.

"All that sort of wisdom has gone. It's going to be an uphill struggle to get it back."

jim · **Joined:** Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:21 pm **Posts:** 8277

Jarusa wrote:

If Mitchell is chosen I hope like hell we follow the 'Hawthorn 2005' model with a coach under instruction to play as many kids as possible and finish low on the ladder.

We need 4 wins or less next year.

What absolute sh1t

billy_bongo · **Joined:** Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:44 am **Posts:** 539

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"I don't think he's anywhere near it," Lofts said. "He's a little survivor. He survives on his wits and playing up to the ones that matter. I don't think he'd be a senior coach."

People probably said that about Pagan before he got lucky....took about 20 years to find out they were right.

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As for the new president, Graham Smorgon, Lofts is equally unimpressed. "I think there is a worry with the administration. There's a lack of football background and expertise at the top," he said.

"I think Smorgon is hopeless, to be honest. I think he's a square peg in a round hole. Apparently he's not even liked very much in his own fraternity."

This must be getting awfully close to libel.

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"Once you get away from 'Sticks' (Stephen Kernahan) there's really nobody there with any football depth, especially when you compare it to the old days when we had Jack Wrout and the like to keep the winning culture going," he said.

"All that sort of wisdom has gone. It's going to be an uphill struggle to get it back."

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Williams and Gleeson are on the board, aren't they? Plus Fitzy's there now. How many did they have in the old days. Could have mentioned why a fair few of our ex-players aren't coming near the club...

Things are hotting up....

Electric Blue · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am **Posts:** 10085

Yeah, the Smorgan comment is just bitchy..not nice.

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