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CK95 · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:58 pm

The Tyrant wrote:

Some Carlton supporters are uglier than me...

Now you've got a debate on your hands old son

camel · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:07 pm

molsey wrote:

The Tyrant wrote:

Quote:

Successful conversions to Carlton 'fan' status - 1

You've turned a Carlton fan away?????????

Note the use of the word 'to'. Tyrants, I married a Docker fan, and now she's true Blue.

Me too kinda ... mrs camel was a Roy Boys supporter and the Qld border was her line. She was born in Subi and started following Freo ... but resistance was futile. She'd a blue bagger now.

Mickstar · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 7185

The Thought Police are worming there way into this site.Opinion folks,just opinion.

Jarusa · **Joined:** Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 23123

BlueMark · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:53 pm

There is a difference between opinion and waiting for the oppotunity to rip apart a player because of a personal agenda.

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 10:32 pm

I think Campo is a gun footballer who is worth every bit of $600ish k and is a tremendous leader to the Carlton footy club.
He is singleminded each week about helping the team win games of football.He never concentrates on anything but the ball.
I think he leads from in front and is an excellent role model for our young kids on how to play the game.
I really wish we had more Campos.
Im sorry for having a go at him . I now must admit i had a personal agenda. I saw myself in direct competition with the great man and wanted to run him down to cement my own spot in the team as the go to man when things are tough.

Again i apologise for criticising Campo.

Thanks for making me see my ugly ways Blue Mark. If there is ever a pair of eyes i want to watch football through they would have to be yours.

Again apologies to everyone

.I have been pulled up on a "personal agenda"......

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:13 pm

From the Carlton Members E-mail just came through:

"I am very disappointed that I won't be playing against Port Adelaide on Saturday night. Not only because I am missing the game but also because I know I've let the team down by putting myself in a position to be suspended for one match."

Scott Camporeale.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:18 pm

Camporeale is 30 years old for flowers sake. Its not as though we're ripping apart a 5 game player. Camporeale's old enough to know better, and he's got to expect criticism when he plays up regardless.

See????? I knew this thread would be divisive.

Synbad has less "margin for error" with senior players, perhaps... but what he's saying isn't wrong.

So.. are we complaining about "style"??? Certainly accuracy can't be questioned... right?

Dumb thread this. Oops... critical!

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:23 pm

AGRO wrote:

From the Carlton Members E-mail just came through:

"I am very disappointed that I won't be playing against Port Adelaide on Saturday night. Not only because I am missing the game but also because I know I've let the team down by putting myself in a position to be suspended for one match."

Scott Camporeale.

Why is Campo apologising?
Im the one who should be doing all the apologising.
I bet the letter to the members was a Campo initiative. ...

AGRO · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:33 pm

Synbad wrote:

Why is Campo apologising?. ...

Must be a John Howard style of apology, didn't see the word "sorry" anywhere. :wink:

Synbad · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:39 pm

AGRO wrote:

Synbad wrote:

Why is Campo apologising?. ...

Must be a John Howard style of apology, didn't see the word "sorry" anywhere. :wink:

He should take a page out of the Popes book. Well the last Pope... he used to say "Sorry".... well Campo is Italian and the Pope was Polish... Maybe Italians dont apologise as readily as Poles do?

Blue Bird · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:27 am

I donâ€™t think Campo is above criticism â€“ particularly for his undisciplined acts that hurt the team â€“ but what annoys me is that he is not given any credit for what he does bring to the team. He came in to the 1995 side as a teenager and cemented his spot immediately. He has stayed loyal to the club since then and for the most part has been one of the keys to the teamâ€™s success. I have to disagree with Synbad about him not taking games by the scruff of the neck â€“ how many times have we seen him go for a lung-busting run and then kick an inspirational goal to lift the side. And as someone else mentioned this is not just in the distant past. In the Adelaide game last year he was pivotal in the turn around in the last quarter.

BlueMark · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:49 am

Blue Bird wrote:

I don’t think Campo is above criticism – particularly for his undisciplined acts that hurt the team – but what annoys me is that he is not given any credit for what he does bring to the team. He came in to the 1995 side as a teenager and cemented his spot immediately. He has stayed loyal to the club since then and for the most part has been one of the keys to the team’s success. I have to disagree with Synbad about him not taking games by the scruff of the neck – how many times have we seen him go for a lung-busting run and then kick an inspirational goal to lift the side. And as someone else mentioned this is not just in the distant past. In the Adelaide game last year he was pivotal in the turn around in the last quarter.

I think its called balance BB. One thing I have been taught and have tried to implement in my judgements is to view an issue from different perspectives before forming an opinion.

Pls ignore the above when it comes to John Howard and GW Bush.........oh Mandy and Collingwood as well

mandy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:59 am

BlueMark wrote:

Pls ignore the above when it comes to John Howard and GW Bush.........oh Mandy and Collingwood as well

Duly ingored.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:26 am

mandy wrote:

Duly ingored.

that sounds painful :shock:

I agree with Blue Bird... but one thing we have to bear in mind is Campo is rewarded very handsomely by Carlton. He's made a very good living off us. We don't owe him anything besides our contractural agreement... and he's making some good bunce of us. And, for what we reward him we deserve better than what we get 90% of the time.

Perhaps we offered him too much dough and expected too little from it. I don't know. Maybe its a management issue... or maybe its a Campo issue.

Either way, Campo needs to stand up much more than he is..... and deserves the criticism he gets.

BluesRockMyWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1331

The Tyrant wrote:

BluesRockMyWorld wrote:

IMO some posts in debates recently on the site have not been constructed in the manner you have just described. I am not saying that that is the way they should be done and thats it I just hate thoughtless criticism. The method of debate you have described shows thought and thats all good!!

Then stay out of the debate.

All debate is healthy if the people conducting it are getting something out of it, no matter what that is. So long as it stays within the site regulations, it belongs here.

My point above is that saying "your posts aren't constructive" is elitist drivel. You just stay out of the debate, or find a creative way of making a comment about that debate. Like the "Get Jonathon Brown' thread... I mean, many of us have had a go, but in parody on the initial post.

You've got to be tolerant of other people's interests and methods. The fact that no one has been banned from the site since Saturday is evidence enough that this thread isn't necessary.

What you're doing is being elitist. You've changed now from saying people are over critical, to saying that now they post in a way that doesn't generate "proper" debate. Well, the fact that people respond to their posts is testimony against that.

COOPERFIDIES mate. Remember that. Everyone has a say... and there are site guidelines about what shouldn't be said. No one's crossed those, so, in the interests of respecting other people's right to love the Blues in the ways they want... its play-on.

I am not being elitist. I agree everyone has a right to their opinion - and hey what do you know I started this thread with what my opinon of where the CFC are at and some perspectives that I thought was relevant.

Unfortunately it would seem that my efforts have been misunderstood, and for that I sincerely apologise for offending anybody or creating a divisive front as you describe it. Wasn't my intention, so again I am sorry.

I note some more comments about Campo have been added. I do agree that he can be undisciplined and well being a vice captain its not a good thing for the younger kids in the team to be seeing.

Is there any merit in wanting all individuals in this team to aspire to take leadership roles on the ground, so that the load isn't concentrated on so few of the 'experienced net?

Just a thought...

I would suggest its in the best interests of team development that all players endeavour to be leaders on the field. It will also help in strengthening the unity of the team, and help each individual to step up to the next level. Anyway - thats just my opinion....

molsey · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 10:02 am

BRMW, or JT, given you've made the same post on 2 sites, maybe more, perhaps your call isn't against this site at all, which has irked some given our perceived quality of posting and ability to 'work on' those who make the more outlandish statements, or against some Carlton fans generally?

If its the latter, you'll probably get support, given there was a similar post / theme last week where this was discussed.

BluesRockMyWorld · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:43 pm **Posts:** 1331

The post was my perspective - not aimed at anyone in particular on this site or any other. It was more a general kinda feeling I have noticed of late. I should never have mentioned the topics of Carrazo and Campo, because again in retrospect I see that there was healthy debate there.

I going to take Tyrants advice and if I see comments that I don't like then I will ignore them in future. I try to be a reasonable kind of person and as I have said before I agree each person is entitled to their own opinion, and players that wear the navy blue are not beyond criticism etc etc.

Again I am truly sorry for any offence caused. Hopefully those I have offended will be able to forgive me.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 12:57 pm

BRMW, don't get too stressed by all this, while Tyrant made some valid points, as he always does, I reckon he only does it in part because he can. He's good at keeping us honest!

As Tyrants hinted at, we should ALL be free to post without fear or favour. Post on.

The Tyrant · **Posted:** Fri Apr 15, 2005 3:06 pm

camelboy wrote:

BRMW, don't get too stressed by all this, while Tyrant made some valid points, as he always does, I reckon he only does it in part because he can. He's good at keeping us honest!

As Tyrants hinted at, we should ALL be free to post without fear or favour. Post on.

has anyone actually heard another Carlton fan yell out "COOPERFIDIE!!!!"

I love it. I started doing it.... bless 'em.

Another thing is: I'm a born pessimist. I seriously think we'll get flogged. I kind of expect the worst every game.... then rationale kicks in later when I know we probably were a better team.

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