Alternate guernseys (preferred option revealed 20/4)

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:40 pm

So you didn't answer any of my questions, just the same old line.

Tell me how this changes our history, tell me why this alters the club I support?

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:41 pm

blueblood95 wrote:

You are pretty deluded.

Why dont you talk to people of your own breed?

I cannot see any benefit in talking to us or Bomber supporters.

seriously, get a life!

Easy tiger, mandy's good value around here. She's actually pretty reasonable for a Pies supporter.

blueblood95 · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:46 pm

Thats an oxy moron

"a reasonable pies supporter!"

Only gagging

jimmae · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:46 pm

mandy wrote:

Less is more. It's very classy.

Other than that, I'd like to present the idea that the pace of the game has changed in the last 100 years, but unfortunately the decision making of the average footballer has risen following a much slighter gradient.

More teams have come into the competition, and they require clash jumpers due to design similarities for the sake of the players and umpires, and to a lesser extent, spectators. Why should a select group of clubs be exempt? It's not the 80s anymore, none of this "pig's arse it's my way or the highway" bs, you grow the game by working together as a league, so when one club has to do something, why shouldn't all the clubs pull their hands out of their pockets and act like professionals.

If AD wants to behave like it's a case of clubs being insubordinate and not falling in line on issues then he will be found out and lose his job down the line. But for now it appears AD is about putting up a united front and platform of equal opportunity to grow the league and participating clubs as a whole.

One club; one jumper is part of a surpassed era, not because we don't enjoy the concept, but because we want this game to be played in front of larger audiences, with greater coverage, than that of times past. If this is the case (and it is), then this a logical step in-time with the AFL's plans.

The image of Carlton will be whatever the club wants it to be, it will never be what the alternative strip looks like.

Orangewhip · **Joined:** Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:00 am **Posts:** 6154

I love you Mandy.

mandy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 7:58 pm

camelboy wrote:

So you didn't answer any of my questions, just the same old line.

Tell me how this changes our history, tell me why this alters the club I support?

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.

But............look at the era that that proud history was formed. Times have changed, and the only question is how much more we want our game altered.

If people don't stand up for what they believe in, if they let a few decisions that don't appear to alter results or history slide, when does it stop?

When do you think you'll win your next Premiership? The way the game is being managed right now, the answer is when it's your turn. And I know nobody on this site is happy with that.

If Collingwood and Essendon* can win this "small" issue, then I think it's a "small" win for all clubs.

You can agree with our stance or not, but don't bag us for having a go. The Carlton I remember growing up, the Club I learnt to know and hate would have been there right along side us.

And that's what I can't express enough. I HATE that you're not.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:07 pm

I'm not bagging anyone for having a go, it's just that I can't identify with the wishy-washy reasons you give for having a go.

To me the club has given up nothing. Our jumper is still our jumper. Our history is still our history. My passion for the club remains unabated, and my passion for wanting to beat Collingwood and Essendon* is stronger than ever. Which is why I just can't see why this is such a big deal. And more too the point why has it only become a crusade when your club has been more likely to be affected? Why not fight the supposedly good fight right back when the Eagles first started playing with different jumpers?

As noted before, I'm much more offended by sponsors logos on jumpers, and I reckon once they've become an accepted part of the game and on the guernsey then really, all bets are off as far as trotting out the "tradition" line.

mandy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:15 pm

Who will make the most money out of the jumper changes? The AFL.

Will that extra revenue filter down to the Clubs? Barely.

Who makes the most money from sponsors logos on the jumpers? The Clubs.

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:19 pm

So it's about money now, not tradition. And you reckon Carlton sold out.

Sorry mandy I respect your views, but on this issue the credibility rating just took a massive nose dive.

mandy · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:30 pm

Bugger. Let me try and re-word that......

I would have an issue with the AFL making money out of sewing patches on our jumpers. I don't have a problem with the Clubs themselves making money by selling a bit of space on their jumpers to sponsors.

I'm not dense enough to think that footy runs on love alone. All Clubs need money. But it should be up to them how far they go and what they're prepared to sell for what price.

My beef on this issue is that no Club should be forced to make these kind of changes when

a) They don't want to
b) There's very little gain to themselves but a huge bonus for the AFL coffers.

I am enjoying this debate with you Liam, but it's almost 8.30.

I'm off to go watch the Blues. You know, while they still are. :wink:

camel · **Posted:** Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:32 pm

Haha, no worries mandy, Go you WHITES! :lol:

tap in 79 · **Joined:** Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am **Posts:** 2131

ThePrez wrote:

tap in 79 wrote:

First they change it just for the games in which our guernsey "clashes" against other clubs and then next a few years down the track they make sure all away games we play in this shi*te guernsey.

it is just a first step in getting rid of tradition and letting the "marketing experts" at the AFL have their say.

I have no problem with "clashes" with melbourne guernseys etc.. all that needs to be done is for the away team to wear white shorts, but i guess opinions of supporters don't matter.

we are the navy whites, we're the team that changes our guernsey on a whim, we're the team that has just sold out.

classic mate, why is it, we are selling out now, but it was perfectly fine to leave OO - our spiritual home.

you guys and your double standards :roll:

i hope they change the away strip every couple of years as a revenue raiser.

Prez, I hoped they never change the guernsey.

The reason why they are doing it is to ensure that we become more and more like every other soccer competition around the world. They have home and away guernseys... ok... so that means we better copy them.

Why can't we hold onto what makes this game unique?>

first they want to take out physical contact - did you see Byron Pickett being pinged with a 50 metre penalty for a simple hip and shoulder on someone. It wouldn't have knocked over a feather duster, but it was serious enough for them to give away a 50 metre.

It is all about making our game more and more like soccer. No contests, no toughness, home and away guernseys. Surely we have enough pride in our own culture to not go down this path?

Soccer is played 90% of the time along the ground. the ball rolls along the ground as they kick it back and forwards to each other - Aust. Footy used to be played in the air/ with physical clashes/ gladitorial contests...now it is in danger of being homogenised into just another game. The home and away guernsey is just another step in that direction.

I hope Collingwood win their battle - as in my opinion the jumper comes before marketing gurus in the EPL or at the AFL. The "clash" argument is just so they can get their foot in the door.

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