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i wouldn't mind seeing a mock up of the BGD one except with a white monogram with a navy outline rather than just a straight navy monogram.

Camel, can that be done mate?

looking earlier ibn the thread i lik the BDG and Mr's Kaz (orange sides) ones, i've gone of Jarusa's one. would look okat as a kids shirt perhaps but not as the actual strip


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Count me in for the annual change.

Every year we have a new away strip and the club pockets the cash.

It shouldn't be too difficult to sell 1500-2000 of them if people know they'll only be available for 12-18 months from the time of release. It'll also create a decent market for auctioning off players' jumpers as there'll be limited numbers.

The Carlton Shop currently sells guernseys for $110. If they can sell 2000 extra away strips the club pockets $220,000 less costs. There are enough freaks and collectors out there who'll buy one every year to keep the numbers reasonably healthy even if it's a dog of a design in any given year.

Also, it's obviously difficult for people to agree on a design. Changing it annually means that if you don't get the one you want (which will be a majority of supporters if this thread is anything to go by) then there's a chance you will the following year.

The other advantage of changing it annually is that it gives the original jumper an exalted position in comparison (being used year after year) rather than it just being one of two jumpers.

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halford, this one

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Don't like it as much as I used to, but the concept is probably OK, just needs a good design guy to make it look good.


Cheers. Must say the CFC is probably a bit big for my liking.

Must be the week for quoting fansites. Illawarra Mercury had a couple of quotes from the St Gilla forums as well.

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Count me in for the annual change.

Every year we have a new away strip and the club pockets the cash.

It shouldn't be too difficult to sell 1500-2000 of them if people know they'll only be available for 12-18 months from the time of release. It'll also create a decent market for auctioning off players' jumpers as there'll be limited numbers.

The Carlton Shop currently sells guernseys for $110. If they can sell 2000 extra away strips the club pockets $220,000 less costs. There are enough freaks and collectors out there who'll buy one every year to keep the numbers reasonably healthy even if it's a dog of a design in any given year.

Also, it's obviously difficult for people to agree on a design. Changing it annually means that if you don't get the one you want (which will be a majority of supporters if this thread is anything to go by) then there's a chance you will the following year.

The other advantage of changing it annually is that it gives the original jumper an exalted position in comparison (being used year after year) rather than it just being one of two jumpers.


First problem, GWS, is that the club doesn't pocket the cash, it only pockets a small slice of profit. The AFL is the one who reaps the rewards, as owner of all licensing rights and trademarks to all the clubs.

Second problem is cost. If a new jumper is brought out ever 12 months, you can't in all honesty expect to get away with charging $110 or more each. The AFL, or club, should be expected to give some ground on cost, which is made up in volume sales.

Not a fan of a constant change. It's change for change's sake, as someone has already said in this thread. Only bring in the alternative for supposed clashes.

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Count me in for the annual change.

Every year we have a new away strip and the club pockets the cash.

It shouldn't be too difficult to sell 1500-2000 of them if people know they'll only be available for 12-18 months from the time of release. It'll also create a decent market for auctioning off players' jumpers as there'll be limited numbers.

The Carlton Shop currently sells guernseys for $110. If they can sell 2000 extra away strips the club pockets $220,000 less costs. There are enough freaks and collectors out there who'll buy one every year to keep the numbers reasonably healthy even if it's a dog of a design in any given year.

Also, it's obviously difficult for people to agree on a design. Changing it annually means that if you don't get the one you want (which will be a majority of supporters if this thread is anything to go by) then there's a chance you will the following year.

The other advantage of changing it annually is that it gives the original jumper an exalted position in comparison (being used year after year) rather than it just being one of two jumpers.


First problem, GWS, is that the club doesn't pocket the cash, it only pockets a small slice of profit. The AFL is the one who reaps the rewards, as owner of all licensing rights and trademarks to all the clubs.

Second problem is cost. If a new jumper is brought out ever 12 months, you can't in all honesty expect to get away with charging $110 or more each. The AFL, or club, should be expected to give some ground on cost, which is made up in volume sales.

Not a fan of a constant change. It's change for change's sake, as someone has already said in this thread. Only bring in the alternative for supposed clashes.


I did say "less costs". I don't care if the club only gets a small percentage of that cash - it's useful regardless.

I'm not sure why people are so frightened of change. Tinker at the edges and you eventually become an anachronism. Embrace change and at least you give yourself the opportunity of seeing what life's like outside the bubble. If it sucks so be it but at least you won't die wondering. It's a jumper FFS and last time I looked the club wasn't a jumper - it was an idea and ideas occasionally need a poke in the eye if they're to remain relevant.

Besides - orange is the new navy... :-D

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I paid $70 for Lil' Miss Wojee's jumper. I'll only buy her a new one when she grows out of it because that's a helluva lot of money for an article of clothing for a 7yo.

I'm not a fan of the different design every year.

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GWS wrote:
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Count me in for the annual change.

Every year we have a new away strip and the club pockets the cash.

It shouldn't be too difficult to sell 1500-2000 of them if people know they'll only be available for 12-18 months from the time of release. It'll also create a decent market for auctioning off players' jumpers as there'll be limited numbers.

The Carlton Shop currently sells guernseys for $110. If they can sell 2000 extra away strips the club pockets $220,000 less costs. There are enough freaks and collectors out there who'll buy one every year to keep the numbers reasonably healthy even if it's a dog of a design in any given year.

Also, it's obviously difficult for people to agree on a design. Changing it annually means that if you don't get the one you want (which will be a majority of supporters if this thread is anything to go by) then there's a chance you will the following year.

The other advantage of changing it annually is that it gives the original jumper an exalted position in comparison (being used year after year) rather than it just being one of two jumpers.


First problem, GWS, is that the club doesn't pocket the cash, it only pockets a small slice of profit. The AFL is the one who reaps the rewards, as owner of all licensing rights and trademarks to all the clubs.

Second problem is cost. If a new jumper is brought out ever 12 months, you can't in all honesty expect to get away with charging $110 or more each. The AFL, or club, should be expected to give some ground on cost, which is made up in volume sales.

Not a fan of a constant change. It's change for change's sake, as someone has already said in this thread. Only bring in the alternative for supposed clashes.


I did say "less costs". I don't care if the club only gets a small percentage of that cash - it's useful regardless.

I'm not sure why people are so frightened of change. Tinker at the edges and you eventually become an anachronism. Embrace change and at least you give yourself the opportunity of seeing what life's like outside the bubble. If it sucks so be it but at least you won't die wondering. It's a jumper FFS and last time I looked the club wasn't a jumper - it was an idea and ideas occasionally need a poke in the eye if they're to remain relevant.

Besides - orange is the new navy... :-D


Fair point.

And nice one at the end there :lol: :lol:

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Two things...

Thing one - and apologies if this has been mentioned already, skimmed over the previous posts, but don't have time to read them all at the minute - I think that a key issue in all this is what shorts we wear. If we are able to wear navy shorts with this alternate strip, then I think that both the all white (with either navy, or white and navy trim, monogram) and all orange jumpers would look great, certainly much better than with white shorts. While I like the idea of incorporating our original colour into our strip, it's quite a lot of orange!!! The traditionalist in me still likes the idea of sticking to our navy and white...white jumper, navy or navy with white CFC, and navy shorts. (As for the oversized CFC, not my cuppa...looks like a CFC with elephantitis.)

Thing two - has anyone else noticed that the old Calrton emblem (not the one from the jumper, but the one that used to represent the club in papers, letter heads etc) has been given the flick? I'm talking about the one with those kind of vine leaf things coming up from under the CFC, around each side, and the 'mens sana in corpore sano' underneath. When did this happen??? How can they discard an emblem with such history and tradition, to replace it with a boring simple CFC?? Can you imagine the Filth discarding their emblam, with the Magpie and Collingwood and Australian flags on it? Theirs and our old one were the two best emblams in the League, and ours has been tossed away. I wrote to the club about it, but heard nothing back. Anyone know anything about this??

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Thing two - has anyone else noticed that the old Calrton emblem (not the one from the jumper, but the one that used to represent the club in papers, letter heads etc) has been given the flick? I'm talking about the one with those kind of vine leaf things coming up from under the CFC, around each side, and the 'mens sana in corpore sano' underneath. When did this happen??? How can they discard an emblem with such history and tradition, to replace it with a boring simple CFC?? Can you imagine the Filth discarding their emblam, with the Magpie and Collingwood and Australian flags on it? Theirs and our old one were the two best emblams in the League, and ours has been tossed away. I wrote to the club about it, but heard nothing back. Anyone know anything about this??


Scroll to the top of the page if you're nostalgic... :wink:

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I don't have a problem with a different away jumper every year, in fact I think it's a great idea. And I don't agree with the argument that some put regarding cost. You don't HAVE to buy your kids a new jumper every year, because this is an AWAY jumper. the home jumper will remain unchanged, year after year.

Besides, it's good for kids to hear the word 'no' every now and again. Not having a go at anyone's parenting skills, but it's not like an away footy jumper is one of life's child-rearing necessities.


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I don't have a problem with a different away jumper every year, in fact I think it's a great idea. And I don't agree with the argument that some put regarding cost. You don't HAVE to buy your kids a new jumper every year, because this is an AWAY jumper. the home jumper will remain unchanged, year after year.

Besides, it's good for kids to hear the word 'no' every now and again. Not having a go at anyone's parenting skills, but it's not like an away footy jumper is one of life's child-rearing necessities.


But it will be the latest thing.

"your family must be losers if they can't afford to buy you the new jumper"
"Look, he's so poor he only has the jumper from 2 years ago"

That kind of thing.

I don't think it's right to slug families every year like that.

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Essendon* supporters, meanwhile, joined an online petition that was predominantly against an alternative Bombers' jumper. The views of more than 140 fans were swelled by irate Carlton and Collingwood fans, including one who identified himself as Eddie McGuire: "This is a disgrace, I have rang SEN already, and I will be following up this matter," his comment read.


Hehe.

Would someone be able to knock up a modification on BGD's silver and blue number? Just smooth out the blue edges a bit more and make the 'sleeve cuffs' blue as well instead of silver. See how that comes up.

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Kaptain Kouta wrote:
But it will be the latest thing.

"your family must be losers if they can't afford to buy you the new jumper"
"Look, he's so poor he only has the jumper from 2 years ago"

That kind of thing.

I don't think it's right to slug families every year like that.


Don't agree KK...if families resist buying the clash jumper, just purchase the original an best Navy Blue for the kid.

I see the clash jumper as being more in the purchasing "must haves" for the young adult/older teenager earning their own money and always eager to spend it.


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I reckon BGD's is a ripper

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camelboy wrote:
I can tweak it if you like, just let me know.

OK Camel, I will take you up on that. I have two additional ideas.

Can you adjust the gold colour to the rich gold/yellow colour that is used in this website (i.e. the colour of the jumper in the banner at the top of the page, which is the same colour of the "PROUD PLAYER PARTNER OF PAUL BOWER" writing, amongst others)?

Also, as an option to this, could you then add in the side navy blue sashes that bluegirldanielle has in her's, while still keeping the new rich gold colour for the main part of the jumper?

Does this make sense? Thanks in anticipation.


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JohnM wrote:
I don't have a problem with a different away jumper every year, in fact I think it's a great idea. And I don't agree with the argument that some put regarding cost. You don't HAVE to buy your kids a new jumper every year, because this is an AWAY jumper. the home jumper will remain unchanged, year after year.

Besides, it's good for kids to hear the word 'no' every now and again. Not having a go at anyone's parenting skills, but it's not like an away footy jumper is one of life's child-rearing necessities.


You don't babysit do you John...? :-D

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Would someone be able to knock up a modification on BGD's silver and blue number? Just smooth out the blue edges a bit more and make the 'sleeve cuffs' blue as well instead of silver. See how that comes up.

Never mind - realised I could do it easily myself. :)

Choose your flavour:
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Straight lines either side, maintaining the silver cuffs and curves
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Straight lines either side with blue cuffs, maintaining the silver curves for the cuffs.
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Straight lines either side the whole way through, with blue cuffs.

I suppose the only one I'm leaving out is silver cuffs with the third design for the blue lines. Does anyone want to see that?

I like option number 2.

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May as well look how we play...

Zippy's design and comment made into Geoff Mclure's column.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/bullies-brothers-set-record-straight/2006/04/11/1144521337066.html

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Zippy wrote:
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May as well look how we play...

Zippy's design and comment made into Geoff Mclure's column.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/sport/bullies-brothers-set-record-straight/2006/04/11/1144521337066.html



Haha, nice one! :lol:

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