No bites yet...............or?

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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

Bower is eighteen years old, maybe seventeen who cares, when I was eighteen I never had the pressure of leaving my family and going to a job on the other side of the country. Money means nothing standard AFL contract for draftee.
There is ways of doing things and IMHO Mitchell is wrong in his treatment of the kid.
He's not soft but it may this may be a shock he is human.

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Green Shooter

No, what he needs are some real Perth comforts from two lovely Carlton Perthites in Ness69 and myself

We can talk all things Perth if he's really that homesick.

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Today, when I take a close look at my Baggy Green, as I often do, I see mateship, camaraderie and teamwork, and a sense of belonging. I hope that its legacy lives on and the spirit it provides stays strong. Stephen 'Tugga' Waugh - Never Say Die.

I coached against Mitchell 11 years ago for an interschool footy match. My kids were getting whipped so bad I told the bench to go play kick to kick and I went and had a chat with him.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Positives come on Thursday after the team is announced ... hangon .... as long as certain players aren't picked

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Mjonc signing off at 8888

There's no problem with looking someone sternly in the eye and giving them a bake when it is required. The Problem is some people are not good with the timing aspects of it. Barry Mitchell is the real deal and know's what to say, and WHEN to say it.

I am a big fan of Barry mitchell, and I believe we are in good hands with him looking after the kids...

You can't baby someone and then expect to get results...

You need to brake them and rebuild them so that they are stronger than before. Sometimes this process needs to be repeated X amount of times.

The Bullants will give it a real shake this year, unless they are cursed with a lot of injury's.

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Circumstance has no value. It is how one relates to a situation that has value. All true meaning resides in the personal relationship to a phenomenon, what it means to you.

poor wittle Bowsey wowsey

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Ask any of the relocated players about moving away from your family and friends it took Adam Cooney a while even some Judd kid. They leave it all behind at a very fragile stage of their life and when you start to doubt your ability and whether you will ever make it, was it all worth it, etc, the coach, before you even play a game in anger, shitcans you and ridicules you in front of the guys you have to earn the respect of and fit in with.
I'm not suggesting it should be Ned Flanders youth group but fair go.
What staggers me is we invest millions of dollars in players and have no HR skills. The club psychologist or player development officer (assuming we even have one) should have specific discussions and a development plan with the relocated and first year players and their coaches for at least the first year, let alone potting them at game two or three. Sink or swim and most will sink, at pick twenty that’s a big wreck on the ocean bed.
We have a fine history of diving sites, we almost had a HMS Fevola to join them. With so many tidy draft picks failing maybe the club should start to review why other than just self mutilating draft day selection exhumations.

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Green Shooter

Were you there?

Have you spoken to Bower?

Have you been drafted?

Worked with those that have been drafted?

Worked with an AFL team?

Do you know Cooney? Judd? If not how do yo have this information then?


or is this all just your opinion? Lets state when things are opinions, gossips, feelings, faint wafts on a spring breeze, and when we know something for fact.

Perhaps you know for a fact Bower feels terrible and has lost confidence due to that dressing down. Then do you know what the club's doing about it?

Do know what Bower feels about Mitchel/ Mitchel about Bower?

Do you know anything or just bitching about the club becuase of your perceptions?

Don't get me wrong, bitch all you want, just wanted to clarify what's fact and whats opinion.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Danny happened to be at a dinner some time back last year with a Lady who was employed by the AFL to see how these insterstate recuits settled in.
Its a big problem getting them to settle down and one of the major factors is cash. Clubs are very slow at paying players and apparently Carlton is one of the worse. I'm not for one minute making excuses for Bower as I was out of home at 18 and loving it. But I did have a steady income. It may have been a bit different if I was miles away from home stuck with bugger all cash to spend and then having one of my bosses giving me a bollock .

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but didn't you read Caz saying he just got $6,000 to spend on fitting out a new apartment. Think that'd be fun!

Not saying it isn't hard for the kids - its one reason why I think the whole drafting process is flawed.

Am saying what has this got to do with the price of fish?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Huh?What $6000?granted to a draftee for fitting out!hmmm,some kid owes me!

I think it's for interstate kids just to help them out with some extra initial stuff rather than carting all their possessions across the country.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Maybe SODOA is from "North " Echuca, or Moama as we .locals like to call it, then he is from "interstate"!!!



Maybe I can fix Andrew back up with a new Plasma TV or something similar?

OMG

A short time ago, Mitchell was being idolised as the guy the young players wanted to play under. So much so that they were torn between playing badly in the AFL so they could stay in the Bullants, yet wanting to avoid delisting as well. That was because Pagan was a nasty man who didn't have the ability to talk to them, and stopped them enjoying their footy.

Now, Mitchell is Public Enemy No. 1 He doesn't know how to handle young players and forces the young ones to flee Victoria entirely

You guys are an agenda looking for a reason to exist

If you guys think that Bower would have avoided sprays coming up the ranks, you know nothing about footy. If he didn't have the tenacity and character to absorb such criticism, he wouldn't have made it as far as he has.

Both Pagan and Mitchell are allowed to set tasks for their players and hold them to account if they don't complete them. And how on earth can a coach be criticised for doing this in a quarter/3quarter time huddle? What else do you think coaches do during those huddles, for Pete's sake? Having only 5 minutes or so, you really want the coach to have a diplomatic heart to heart with all of the players? HR skills - what a joke! Perhaps we need to have a secret ballot to see how the team feels about the coach's directions, and have a psychologist on hand to debrief the players before they go back


Anyone remember how Ryder had apparently fled the Scum over the Xmas break, apparently homesick? Stories circulated that they gave him a holiday to get over it. Odd then that he turned up at the next training session with the football department laughing at the reports. Anyone know for a fact that he has gone back to WA due to homesickness? Or is this one of the incredible beat-ups that we criticise the media for but love to push ourselves?

(duplication)

Jimmae,Maybe you and I can form a Courier(Koorier partnership.I'd take his stuff,(and the AFL grant money $6000).

Hahaha just keep encouraging him until he becomes a superstar then just dock him a large percentage of his pay packet citing how much of a drain he was on you for 17 and a half years.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

So now its..........homesick, a bollocking AND not having any money. Anything we have forgotten.

Happened to have chat with a young CFC player today (No not PB). I asked him how he was traveling with Mitch.

He said the following.......He thought Mitch was a very good coach because tactically he was very smart and you always knew exactly where you stood with him. No wishy, washy stuff. No confusion as to how he thought you were traveling or what you need to do to improve your game. His game plan is simple to follow and he doesn't confuse you by constantly changing his mind. He likes players who put their head over the ball and run straight. He likes team players, not individuals. He likes sacrificial acts and 1%ers.

You do as you are told and play the way he wants or you cop a few words in your ear. He doesn't play favorites. He said he praises you just as much as he asks WHY?

He said the new kids had no problems with his style.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

That's a pretty eloquent answer for a footballer, may I ask the age of said footballer (assuming you wouldn't deliver the name)?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.