We took Nick Stevens in the Pre-Season Draft because he was the best available (thanks Doggies ).

But now I reckon it would have to be one super player in the 23 to 26 year old bracket to warrant throwing a $500,000 plus salary too.

But play the game by all means - if it means making St. Kilda have to pay over the odds to retain Justin Koschitzke

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Humour me Synbad with clear, concise answers

Are you saying we should have offered a pick or two for Luke?

Are you saying we did not offer enough money to Luke?

Are you saying we never bothered to find out what Luke wanted?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

There is nothing wrong with using late draft picks on recycled players. In recent times Richmond have done well with Shane Tuck, Adelaide with the ruckman Hudson (picked after Mott & DeLuca), Collingwood with Clement & Wakelin, Essendon* with McPhee etc.

Generally I think we have recruited well since 2002 considering the sanctions imposed.

Anyone who witnessed the last match of 2003 against the Kangaroos surely must have understood that we had no other choice but to use our picks on "recycled" players. It is easy to forget that the Carlton Football Club is a business and that we require memberships and sponsors to survive. If we entered the 2004 season without Scotland, Teague, Morrell, Johnson, Harford etc there would have been no hope for us. This would have been unacceptable.

This years "super draft" (and hopefully the trading of Fev) should result in us obtaining all the midfielders and KPP's to take us back to the top again. My main concern with the list now is that we don't seem to have a decent young ruck prospect and that they typically take 4-5 years to develop. Should have we taken Cam Wood with pick #9 in 2004? Time will tell.

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Even if Power did want to come to Carlton would he make that much difference. He's a good player sure, and maybe I underrate him, but for me he's in the Des Headland category. He's a small fish in a big sea, I'm not sure Power would cut it as a big fish in a small sea.

Either way the discussion is moot to a degree isn't it???

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I think you have to offer above the going rate to get a decent player to change clubs and I can understand why Carlton would have offered Kouta type dough to get Power or Kosi.....dont know if I agree with offering Power a kings ransom but Kosi if fit would have given us plenty in terms of ability and leadership....being seen as a money hungry mercenary though doesnt sit right with some players and I think Kosi showed why we went after him with the big bucks...he chose to stay for less which points to his character and loyalty being very good which is the type of player we need but you cant buy, you have to develop your own....

Clement and McPhee were rare gets......person/s at Freo stuffed up royally when they let those two escape...

Rejects/Retreds fill gaps they dont make a team and thats where Pagan went wrong....

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not sure how much i would have offered for power but i've never had a problem with koutas salary.

Yeah, no-one would have given a rats about Kouta's salary had his knees not failed him in '00 and '01.

We were on our way to a Kouta inspired premiership in 2000 - he was worth every penny.

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I tell you what danny.. ill homour you are humoured easily.

What im saying is there was a guy who REALLY wanted to come home.. and we didnt put a deal together to get him over the line for us.
Whatever it took.

Personally id have traded Lance and thats 400k.. id have not bothered with Saddington or McLaren... and i would have done whatever it took to make sure a 25 year old gun was wearing our colours this year.
The kind of player who WOULD make a difference,
The kind of player who WOULD bring a winners mentality to a very fragile football team.

What would it have taken???
A captaincy up the track?
Money???

A sales pitch????

He wouldnt be after premierships as a priority.... his priority was to come home!!!...

whatever happened our sales pitch didnt excite him enough to get him to do what EVERYBODY at the Lions thought was INEVITABLE!!!

PS Judds management believe he would be looking at pulling up stumps at WC after the current contract (before he was given capatincy)

And to the guy who think im against giving out money... YOURE WRONG!!!...

Im against handing out money to softco(ks!!!

there is a difference in there.

Power brings winning to the club.

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Power didn't want to leave Brisbane he just wanted more money out of them. Carlton were powerless (so to speak) in the situation.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Exactly Deano he was playing some of the best footy anyone has ever played when he put pen to paper.
Carey was not far off what Kouta was on in his last couple of years at North which were poor by his standards. Hird, Voss and Buckley were not far off last year too and Kouta had a better year than all of them. When all these guys signed their deals the rates were very high get over it.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

na then I'm with carlton. I do not care how desperate we are I do not want to go down the whore's path of 'we'll sell our souls for this bloke' ever again.

Hopefully carlton put together a reasonable deal which Luke rejected - fine.
I do not want an over the top offer made just to secure Luke Power.

That might have involved pick 4 and money and for what? a 25 year olf who'll be 28 when the kids are ready and we make him captain - why?

Chicken Little stuff.

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Agreed and besides this whole site would have had their knickers in a knot about an overpayed receiver.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

I've seen Power on the bottom of packs on numerous occassions.

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There's so much I could say...

I've seen Campo as well but both are predominately outside players. When Campo was the same age and in a strong team he was way better than Power.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

So you wouldnt want williams or David Rhys Jones.. or anyone like that???

Geeez you talk utter shyte!!!

So you mean to tell me youd go down the road of the whore who threatens to leave the club unless they get more money.. and has done bugger all .. donesnt go down on you.. doesnt do annything..rather than go after the "whore " that would???

Youre funny...

The Game.. Power was set to go!!!.. no ifs no buts... they had nothing more to try to keep him than the guilt trip!!!...

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Fancy comparing campo to Power....
Power wouldnt be overpaid because he is a consumate professional.

His work ethic would make whatever money youd have to pay for him.. and give Lance and Campo the flick worth it...

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Power can do it all thegame....he can GET the ball, make position to receive the ball, dish it out of packs, properly dispose of the ball.
Wish he played for Carlton.

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There's so much I could say...

He was set to go but then Brisbane gave in. Money makes the world go round, not just Carlton players.

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"We used to sit around and talk about how bad the game plan was." Anthony Koutoufides

Do you remember how good Peter Matera was? Phil Materas older brother. Lightninq quick, mark, kick, goals, etc. The master of the wing. Couldn't catch him. Won Premierships and Norm Smiths...McLeod type.

Well I vivedly remember Campo always broke even with Peter, and probably had the better of main every game they played; at only 19, 1995. Then he did it at again at 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, and that was 2002. I'm glad we had him when he did. (Now its 2006, and he's 30, if he needs to go, that's OK, because we can't carry old players and pay through the nose to ...I could go on...off the track).

He never let me down. Till......2005.

Gee he was really good for about our 7 years. Power is a different player than Campo was at 25. Give me Campo on one wing and Matera on the other wing against any wingman combo today IMO. Power is "F***g Good", but he wouldn't be in my top 10 wingmen; and certainly not worth Lance and whoever being dropped off the list for one FP / rover.

I think Sheedy has got that recycling, retreading...disease, by taking Campo. They're gonna get it. Did someone mention that they will see the bottom of the ladder for a long time? Lets hope so.

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Campo was good when we had midfielders.
When we couldnt he couldnt step up.
Power is good no matter who is in their midfield and who is out injured.

power works hard..
campo doesnt.
And Lance before Power???

Lance cant even find himself a spot to play in ... hoow can he be better than Power???



The Game... what Power did and didnt do came from someone who would have known what transpired.What Brisbanes feelings were at the time.. etc.

I can assure you.. the only ace they had up their sleeves and used.. was the 'guilt factor'...
It wasnt about money.. he had , had enough of Brisbane.

Mal Michaels wife has also left him for Melbourne with his kids.She hated Brisbane.
He was desperate to get out and they did the same to him...

Its about selling yourself.. and your club to those kinds of guys.
They have genuine reasons to leave.

My question is...

Can we sell this club hard enough to attract players now that were at the bottom????


In three years we will have no real top line older players to lead Walker Betts Murphy Kennedy etc....
Shit!!!! we have noone to do it now...

Do you really think Saddington.. McLaren and Lance will be able to do it???


And that is why this club should leave no stone unturned to bring in players that will make a difference to the psyche of this footy club now!!!

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