That maybe very true. But Koch is still humping around playing small clubs that hold a 100 people and JB is playing to 10,000 and touring the World every year. Life is unfair that way.

Mark Lettieri and Guthrie Govan probably play them both on a break.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Guthrie is amazing
Koch and him are my 2 favourite guitarists
If The Koch Marshall Trio ever did a tour of the Easy Coast I would fly over for it
As for the poster who likened me to Pauline Hanson what did I say about judging someone on their posts
For years I have had no care about the 2 other major parties because they are both inept partly because the real people making the decisions are the people with the most money and the media powers
But I’ll vote Labor next election to keep a party based on hatred out of office

The big question that we often mention is..............when does opinion become a broken record. A broken record just becomes boring.

And don't be offended that I didn't agree to catch up for a beer. I am so anti social I basically don't catch up with people I know and like. Perhaps that might explain my time on TC.

CK is the exception of course. Oh and about 6 other TC's members, once a year before Prelim Weekend. But that's it.

Here's a task for you..........for the next week, every time you post, don't mention the 6 things you normally mention in every post. You know what they are. And don't add a But. Something positive and then put a fall stop and bail out when you are ahead.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

I like....adding buts and I cannot lie.
You other brothers can't deny....

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Won’t be told how to post.
And you don’t have to read them.
Everyone has a choice

It was me and it was somewhat lighthearted and with something of a tin-ear due to abuse. Was a comment on the posts not the poster. Sugar-hits.

Ok Cazzeman
Here is something that is repetitive but not repetitive

I have supported the club for 56 years from the age of 7
And deep down I love club
That love has truly been tested like any love of any kind by the dysfunctional nature off the field
For me this reached a crescendo with the Elijah Hollands fiasco
I’ll repeat myself again
The club was culpable to him playing and I hated the people that caused that
They are cauliflower of the highest order whoever they are
And as usual nobody put their hand up and said “ we [REDACTED] up”
I can’t support any other club but boy I came close
I have only met fellow TCs once
At a barbecue ironically on the ground at Princes Park organised by Jarusa. Remember him
Witnessed Tommi lighting a scuby on the centre wicket area.


I also met a poster called Deano Supremo
He flew done from Sydney for it
Great guy
Smart funny loved the club and wore his heart on his sleeve
He said something that struck a massive chord with me which sums up why we are passionate about the teams we support
“ Whatever changes in your life you still love your club”
Well said Deano
Do I feel torn by how [REDACTED] this club has been run in the last 25 years
@#$%&! I do
And as someone said
“ It can’t be that hard “
My negativity is based on the passion I have for this club
A club that has been [REDACTED] up by people who are ruled by power and money
As Deano inferred
The one constant in life is change
It’s time Carlton changed
I hope it’s happening

I didn't know this, or had forgotten.

They should file a police complaint. We mugged them!

I was just guessing GE.
I recall us trading pick 17 and Fisher for 21 and 27 or something like that, and Cowan was pick 30.
I put 2 and 2 together...thought pick 27 pushed out to 30 and we got Cowan. Could have been a different year. I should've checked.

I was making the point, with subtlety, that some of the trades and delists we made that were criticised at the time, as were the 2 first round teens we turned into pick 3 for Smith, look good when we are winning. Everything is crap when we are losing and finger pointing becomes the norm. I'm sure, at times, collectively, we point the blame at the wrong person.

We traded SPS too, but end of 2021. I was looking at the last 4 years, enough time to have a look at players develop after their first year. We are doing allright. Our kids did shine against the WCE.

Byrne or Wilson should have been nominated for rising Star ahead of any other "first year" player this round imo.

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I thought Cowan came from a live pick spot with Collingwood? We got their 2nd rounder and gave them ours for the following year

Interesting post keogh.
I wish I did come down for that gathering.
Deano Supremo was one of my faves.
Never forget how much his post resonated with me.
The post he called "The one constant".
I also get your frustration too.

I get the passion for the club, but I have to say, and I'm keogh's age, still partying, still youthful, still loving life, and just as passionate as the next fella, but some people forget that its just a game, and there's a lot of volunteers and patrons of the club who have been good and bad for the club at different times, but their passion for success isn't less than ours. Mistakes happen. We need to learn and move on. In fighting isn't healthy.

BV's posts in my early days on TC still resonate with me too. Like a few of us, passionate supporters, he put his hand in his pocket for the club, and proved his loyalt on training nights and at games, knowing we were going to be cellar dwellers post penalties of 2022, for more than a year or two. We really hit rock bottom. Any criticism of Kernahan, Pratts, Smorgons, Mathiesons, Halls is really disrespectful imo, because Collins who was batting for the AFL and Carlton was handing over the keys. Hopefully, one day, the truth comes out about Demetriou and Evans' strategy towards our club and the game at large, to stroke their egos and impose their vindictiveness. The abovementioned names didn't need the AFL's money; remember that. Carlton was and is more than a play thing. The club serves a purpose far beyond a 'play thing', for all of us.

Some people can't control their emotions, and those emotions do not reflect their passion for the club well, moreso imo displays their desire to find someone to blame for our demise. I think it makes them feel better. It doesn't get us closer to the truth of the past, nor our current situation.

I can't help feel we are in a great place now. President, CEO, Football Manager, Coach, Board, Finances, Draft prospects, List, Salary Cap space and positioning before the compromised Draft all seem strong to me. First time, I feel we have lliined up the ducks, with the best in business to select a new List Manager and a new Coach

Carpe Diem Carlton.

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Good work rhino. You may be onto something there. More evidence of good trading and drafting in the last 4 years.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

I feel pretty good in that regard too. The only thing that irks me is that we've felt that we're finally on the right track so many times over the years, only to be disappointed.

(Sorry to be negative)

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Six weeks ago our drafting and trading was poor. Today our drafting and trading is very good. We haven't drafted or traded in the interim.

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Jagga

All excellent posts, well made.

But........................I guess it depends how seriously you want your thoughts to be taken. Many would say they don't care what others think, but I would ask those people......why bother to post your opinions at all then? Surely offering an opinion on anything is meant to encourage debate, most of the time.

I can only presume the majority post here so that people can read their stuff and say....yep they make a great point, I hadn't thought of it that way or in that context.

Normally, once you have made your point known, you move on to the next topic. Reiterating your point over and over and over (much like I am doing here in this thread with you) just becomes an Old man shouting at clouds (I can see an uncanny resemblance in the mirror). Yes, it is each to their own as you say.

You remain forever 'glass have empty and I will go with glass half full.' It is obviously in our DNA.

Or you could be the total outlier...............you could post like IBS (aka Grogan), then it just presents as mindless, drug addled drivel.

Happy posting.

Regards Cazzesman

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Ricky Gervais - “Everyone has the right to hold whatever beliefs they want. And everyone else has the right to find those beliefs f***ing ridiculous.”

Daniel Patrick Moynihan said, “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.”

Fisher trade and Cowan's drafting were one year apart.

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Yeah, I get it.

I think we believed that Cooky had the Meidas touch and could achieve his standard flag within his 5 year tenure.
IMO, we now know, and believe, he has set us up well with his choice to take the reigns: GW.

Trust me, I know what it's like to not believe: we were 1-8. Led 6 of those losses at half time, after the players were primed by the game's suposed best S&C Manager, Andrew Russell.

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Yep. 6 weeks ago the "experts" were questioning if any Carlton players would get a game in another team. From memory, several said they'd prefer Essendon*'s list to Carlton's. The same Essendon* that is begging for draft assistance from the AFL. Experts.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

We have bugger all injuries.
Weiters is basically the only one out.
We get a couple of injuries and you will see how shit our list is.



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