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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 1:09 pm 
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Chesser pinch has upset them.


Mmmmmm....that's a thought.

They can GAGF

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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I always knew being the soft touch nice guys at the trade table would pay off one day..ohh


Maybe you're right.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 1:12 pm 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
Yes I get the WC hate and we should remember this and not forget but if we get Dean and ISON and a future 2nd round pick plus someone else in round 3 of draft it’s still an excellent haul
Hopefully that 3rd round pick is ok


Blood oath.

Great haul. we get the players we want. Brilliant.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 1:15 pm 
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Sun Tze -

In the midst of chaos, there is also opportunity.

Victory comes from finding opportunities in problems.


Nothing really changes. The plan was for Dean and Ison. We will get them both regardless of who does what.

As always, any other pick between 20 and 35 is the great unknown, as far as how their career will turn out.

I am supremely confident the Recruiting team along with Wright and Davies will have run through all the simulations and 'what if's'.

What we should all be telling ourselves is............how good is it that we have a father/son this year and next, that every other team wants on their lists. What does it say about the caliber of Dean, that a team inside the top 3 or 5 might be willing to use a valuable pick on?

Everyone should be happy that is the case, not frustrated. They all want what we have. That hasn't happened in a long time.

WCE should really just take Dursma and 2 Dads and sit back with huge grins on their faces. They can then high five each other for the next 90 minutes, while they wait to see what is left over for their 3rd pick.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 1:25 pm 
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Humpers was assuming that we had done trades rather than holding 9 and 11 if we do the trades as Deano says we get future second effectively for free and maybe another speculative player at back of draft

Both McGowan (who I rate) and Twomey both have Dean at 3 and ISON at 21 WC bidding at 3 and Geelong at 21 so that’s 99 percent certain for me

As for WC what is the difference between what WC did with SPS and we did with Chesser -we actually got less

Geelong obviously also crapped off by not getting Curnow

Hope we have long memories in respect to both

Hoping those idiots at AFL House :banghead: will put a pause on the 2026 changes when they see how the 2025 changes have impacted f/s and NGA picks in 2025.
Only a hope because they seem to be unduly influenced by the whiners from the Aints and Geelong


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:27 pm 
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A slither of good news maybe Twomey suggesting late mail that Geelong may not bid on ison at say 22 but may if that is the case closer to pick 30

He seems to be suggesting that trades with Bummers and North firmed up given expected early bid on Dean and maybe Ison

Blues give 9 and 43 to Bummers in exchange for picks 21,27 and 30

Second trade Blues give 11 and 54 for Norths f2,25 and 46


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:44 pm 
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If the Dean bid is Pick 3 as expected, we will need 90% of 2,178 points or 1,960 points.

Assuming GC have to use 15, 18 and part of 24 on Zeke, then our picks would move up to 20, 23, 25 & 28. We would need to use the first 3 of those to match Dean bid. Leaves Pick 28, which might come into 25 or so post other bids. So if Ison isn;t bid on by then, that will be our 3rd pick, with 46 (coming into 40 or so for Ison bid) and left over pick 25 points to match bid. That would be a perfect result.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:51 pm 
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Frank Carspew wrote:
A slither of good news maybe Twomey suggesting late mail that Geelong may not bid on ison at say 22 but may if that is the case closer to pick 30

He seems to be suggesting that trades with Bummers and North firmed up given expected early bid on Dean and maybe Ison

Blues give 9 and 43 to Bummers in exchange for picks 21,27 and 30

Second trade Blues give 11 and 54 for Norths f2,25 and 46

I watched the Harry Dean interview on the news tonight . He was asked what Carlton supporters can expect from him .
His answer " I will give 110 percent and wear the Carlton jumper with pride ". That did it for me , I don't give a fruck what we had to give up to get him coz with that attitude he's worth every bit what he has cost us .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 6:57 pm 
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keogh wrote:
But it does seem to me that List Management teams within the AFL are narrowing their search for players to father sons private schools other AFL players and academy
Whether it’s due to lack of funds stupidity or both who exactly knows
I think Austin is clearly a better List Manager than SOS who now is @#$%&! up the list at StKilda
Fancy paying over 25% of your cap on a b grade mid a small forward who hamstrings are of a 40 year old and 2 players in 18 years at their previous club finished in the B and F top 10 4 times
No real suprise though when Ross Lyon is the coach and gives him a job because he is a mate
And who appointed Ross
Andrew Bassatt who despite not one of Lyon’s coached teams ever finishing top 6 in scoring in a season a near necessity to win a flag employs him

You don’t need experience as a List Manager than to know that the wrong people at the top leads to nowhere
Glad Sayers is gone


i suspect Saint Kilda hired Ross Lyons for same reason we (the club that is) were considering him. if ross can get you playing finals with a miserable game style and squeezing the life out of he playing g list then that’s an improvement on being a perennial cellar dweller. and it’s not like Premiership AFL coaches grow on trees. what Saints failed to see was that CFC over the last 30 years has proven that recycling former legends of the coaching box generally doesn’t work. Pagan was a disaster and so was Malthouse. and maybe Saints felt they needed stability and Ross would bring that. an unproven coach who fails to shine in his first year or two might be under to much pressure from the club board, backers and whinging fans.

Anyhow im glad we opted for Voss over Ross. didn’t regret it for a moment in the last three years.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 7:00 pm 
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Mickstar wrote:
Frank Carspew wrote:
A slither of good news maybe Twomey suggesting late mail that Geelong may not bid on ison at say 22 but may if that is the case closer to pick 30

He seems to be suggesting that trades with Bummers and North firmed up given expected early bid on Dean and maybe Ison

Blues give 9 and 43 to Bummers in exchange for picks 21,27 and 30

Second trade Blues give 11 and 54 for Norths f2,25 and 46

I watched the Harry Dean interview on the news tonight . He was asked what Carlton supporters can expect from him .
His answer " I will give 110 percent and wear the Carlton jumper with pride ". That did it for me , I don't give a fruck what we had to give up to get him coz with that attitude he's worth every bit what he has cost us .


i imagine his dad drummed that into him at birth!

great pickup for us however it plays out. we need that attitude combined with elite skill across all the lines. dependability is something we’ve struggled with for decades. easy to say but can’t wait to see him bring it.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 7:05 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Frank Carspew wrote:
A slither of good news maybe Twomey suggesting late mail that Geelong may not bid on ison at say 22 but may if that is the case closer to pick 30

He seems to be suggesting that trades with Bummers and North firmed up given expected early bid on Dean and maybe Ison

Blues give 9 and 43 to Bummers in exchange for picks 21,27 and 30

Second trade Blues give 11 and 54 for Norths f2,25 and 46

I watched the Harry Dean interview on the news tonight . He was asked what Carlton supporters can expect from him .
His answer " I will give 110 percent and wear the Carlton jumper with pride ". That did it for me , I don't give a fruck what we had to give up to get him coz with that attitude he's worth every bit what he has cost us .


i imagine his dad drummed that into him at birth!

great pickup for us however it plays out. we need that attitude combined with elite skill across all the lines. dependability is something we’ve struggled with for decades. easy to say but can’t wait to see him bring it.


Yes Deez , easy to say for sure but the kid had a steely glint in his eye . It was more than words to him , he meant it .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 9:08 pm 
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It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley and Tylah Williams. Should the Eagles match, Talor Byrne is an underrated small forward and might be a bargain. I like Felix Kneipp. Reminds me of Zach Merrett at a similar age, but quicker. If they want to go big, I'd look at Tairon Ah-Mu. Dandenong Stingrays kid who attended Haileybury College. Can play forward or back. 198cm. Basketball background. Beautiful kick for goal.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 9:36 pm 
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DocSherrin III wrote:
It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley and Tylah Williams. Should the Eagles match, Talor Byrne is an underrated small forward and might be a bargain. I like Felix Kneipp. Reminds me of Zach Merrett at a similar age, but quicker. If they want to go big, I'd look at Tairon Ah-Mu. Dandenong Stingrays kid who attended Haileybury College. Can play forward or back. 198cm. Basketball background. Beautiful kick for goal.


Yes Doc , that Kneipp kid knows where to go to get a kick and a handy user by foot or hand .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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DocSherrin III wrote:
It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley and Tylah Williams. Should the Eagles match, Talor Byrne is an underrated small forward and might be a bargain. I like Felix Kneipp. Reminds me of Zach Merrett at a similar age, but quicker. If they want to go big, I'd look at Tairon Ah-Mu. Dandenong Stingrays kid who attended Haileybury College. Can play forward or back. 198cm. Basketball background. Beautiful kick for goal.

I think Ah Mu gets to the Dees as a rookie. He’s come through their academy, despite them not being able to match any bid. Big lump of a lad. Good fit for them too… not that they deserve it.

Must admit, I was pretty happy to see Fred Rodriguez mentioned in dispatches. He’s a real goer. Genuine two-way mid, good kick on either foot.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley



His last 12 months have been exceptional - really found himself in the U18s

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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bondiblue wrote:
17th Premiership wrote:
I’m actually not as critical of SOS as some others.
However, he does tend to redraft players he has previously picked even with the hindsight of seeing them underperform at the level..
While it is true he is not alone in picks/trades that don’t quite work out, I don’t think there are too many with such a prolific record of redrafting their own draft picks who have underperformed or continuing to over-rate players despite ordinary exposed form?


I'm confused

You are or you're not critical of SOS redrafting his failures?

SOS has a blatant achilles heal. Arrogance.


To clarify, I’m not as critical as some of his decisions, particularly early on, at Carlton. I think the approach to go for the spine first and then the mids makes sense, esp with those available in the 2015 draft.
With the redrafting GWS players, we didn’t have much to play with at the time and needed to turnover a lot of average players on our list so I can understand him taking a punt on recruiting a bunch of ex-GWS players. It was a bit of a Hail Mary hoping that one or two might prove to be worth their initial rating.
However, over time it became clear that it was less a calculated Hail Mary and more about a faith or arrogance untroubled by actual performance which prompted him to redraft players who did not make the grade.
So, not as critical about his approach at the time.
But recognising the unvarnished failure of this approach and, yes the arrogance in his dogged pursuit of players he liked irrespective of performance.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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CK95 wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley



His last 12 months have been exceptional - really found himself in the U18s


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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CK95 wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley



His last 12 months have been exceptional - really found himself in the U18s


One of your very best. :clap: Highly nuanced :smoking: :smoking:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2026
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CK95 wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
It's the night two selection that's intriguing. I think we should bid on Wes Walley



His last 12 months have been exceptional - really found himself in the U18s


Nice :beer:

Shame we don't still have heritage rounds, because Sydney could do the funniest thing.....

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Shame we don't still have heritage rounds, because Sydney could do the funniest thing.....



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