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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2025 9:00 pm 
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I find it interesting that people wanted to blow the club up, sack the coach etc etc, but when we have 5 of our coaches go it is all doom and gloom.
I'm sure we are going to get some good replacements and I know this might be controversial, they might even be better.
The energy will be insane in the coaching box next year, I can't wait to see what a freshen up does to the game plan, players and club.
I hope Hinkley is added in some capacity.


Development coaches are going (just when we started to show something) but most line coaches are staying.
Which part would you like us to explain? :garthp:

Just when we started to show something?
C'mon.
We've had more misses than hits and maybe GW has come in and seen we are lacking in development and some of the kids like Wilson and Motlop should be much further ahead than they are.
The only loss for me is Power as I feel he was doing a good job with the VFL side.
Hamill was our backline coach IIRC and Greaves was our head of coaching and performance.
And who is to say some of the current line coaches won't have a positional change, do you know something we don't?
So, yes please explain away.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2025 9:02 pm 
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According to post on BF, GW wish list is:

Adrian Hickmott
Nigel Lappin
Josh Fraser
Dale Morris
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 2:27 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I find it interesting that people wanted to blow the club up, sack the coach etc etc, but when we have 5 of our coaches go it is all doom and gloom.
I'm sure we are going to get some good replacements and I know this might be controversial, they might even be better.
The energy will be insane in the coaching box next year, I can't wait to see what a freshen up does to the game plan, players and club.
I hope Hinkley is added in some capacity.


Development coaches are going (just when we started to show something) but most line coaches are staying.
Which part would you like us to explain? :garthp:

Just when we started to show something?
C'mon.
We've had more misses than hits and maybe GW has come in and seen we are lacking in development and some of the kids like Wilson and Motlop should be much further ahead than they are.
The only loss for me is Power as I feel he was doing a good job with the VFL side.
Hamill was our backline coach IIRC and Greaves was our head of coaching and performance.
And who is to say some of the current line coaches won't have a positional change, do you know something we don't?
So, yes please explain away.


If you could understand what you are writing - I would bother to reply - but it seems you struggle.

Hint - Power and Ebert were our development coaches and they are gone.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:42 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I find it interesting that people wanted to blow the club up, sack the coach etc etc, but when we have 5 of our coaches go it is all doom and gloom.
I'm sure we are going to get some good replacements and I know this might be controversial, they might even be better.
The energy will be insane in the coaching box next year, I can't wait to see what a freshen up does to the game plan, players and club.
I hope Hinkley is added in some capacity.


Development coaches are going (just when we started to show something) but most line coaches are staying.
Which part would you like us to explain? :garthp:

Just when we started to show something?
C'mon.
We've had more misses than hits and maybe GW has come in and seen we are lacking in development and some of the kids like Wilson and Motlop should be much further ahead than they are.
The only loss for me is Power as I feel he was doing a good job with the VFL side.
Hamill was our backline coach IIRC and Greaves was our head of coaching and performance.
And who is to say some of the current line coaches won't have a positional change, do you know something we don't?
So, yes please explain away.


If you could understand what you are writing - I would bother to reply - but it seems you struggle.

Hint - Power and Ebert were our development coaches and they are gone.

C'mon Surrey, all of a sudden we have the best development coaches in the league now. :banghead:
So again, how do you know that GW hasn't seen that our development isn't up to the standards of other clubs he's been at?

Hint: Power was our VFL coach, NOT development. But on that, if we want to really put the magnifying glass on the 2s success, how many finals did we play in and win again while he was VFL coach?
Hint: 1 finals win in 4 years?

He's a loss, but not irreplaceable.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 9:59 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
I find it interesting that people wanted to blow the club up, sack the coach etc etc, but when we have 5 of our coaches go it is all doom and gloom.
I'm sure we are going to get some good replacements and I know this might be controversial, they might even be better.
The energy will be insane in the coaching box next year, I can't wait to see what a freshen up does to the game plan, players and club.
I hope Hinkley is added in some capacity.


Development coaches are going (just when we started to show something) but most line coaches are staying.
Which part would you like us to explain? :garthp:

Just when we started to show something?
C'mon.
We've had more misses than hits and maybe GW has come in and seen we are lacking in development and some of the kids like Wilson and Motlop should be much further ahead than they are.
The only loss for me is Power as I feel he was doing a good job with the VFL side.
Hamill was our backline coach IIRC and Greaves was our head of coaching and performance.
And who is to say some of the current line coaches won't have a positional change, do you know something we don't?
So, yes please explain away.


If you could understand what you are writing - I would bother to reply - but it seems you struggle.

Hint - Power and Ebert were our development coaches and they are gone.

C'mon Surrey, all of a sudden we have the best development coaches in the league now. :banghead:
So again, how do you know that GW hasn't seen that our development isn't up to the standards of other clubs he's been at?

Hint: Power was our VFL coach, NOT development. But on that, if we want to really put the magnifying glass on the 2s success, how many finals did we play in and win again while he was VFL coach?
Hint: 1 finals win in 4 years?

He's a loss, but not irreplaceable.


Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:43 am 
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sinbagger wrote:

Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.

:thumbsup:
Also our VFL program is not as strong for non-listed (or ex listed) players like Box Hill for example or has the young talent coming out of it like Werribee has recently.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:48 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.

:thumbsup:
Also our VFL program is not as strong for non-listed (or ex listed) players like Box Hill for example or has the young talent coming out of it like Werribee has recently.


Do you reckon that's because we always overlook players in our own VFL team when drafting? Surely it wouldn't be too much of a burden to keep open one or two list spots each year to reward the best non-listed players. Might mean we have hte ability to attract better players because we are seen as a destination club which gets kids to the next level.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 12:06 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.

:thumbsup:
Also our VFL program is not as strong for non-listed (or ex listed) players like Box Hill for example or has the young talent coming out of it like Werribee has recently.


Do you reckon that's because we always overlook players in our own VFL team when drafting? Surely it wouldn't be too much of a burden to keep open one or two list spots each year to reward the best non-listed players. Might mean we have hte ability to attract better players because we are seen as a destination club which gets kids to the next level.

The only ‘promise’ for VFL players is that they get to put themselves in the shop window & play an AFL role. They’re not signing up to a wait list.

Our program saw off three successive captains under Power.

Won a final in Dan O’Keefe’s last season in 2022.
Flogged out of a finals spot in 2023.
Four games in 2024.
2025 we took a baker’s dozen listed players into early season contests against standalone sides & they treated us like witches hats. Jacob Dawson had 20 touches in the first quarter, on our deck, and Power didn’t even send the runner out.

Every time I heard him speak, it was like a remedial class. He’d would pause for an answer to rhetorical questions. Constantly waiting for affirmation.

He was uninspiring. Good administrator, good assistant. Not someone that should lead his own team.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 12:28 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.

:thumbsup:
Also our VFL program is not as strong for non-listed (or ex listed) players like Box Hill for example or has the young talent coming out of it like Werribee has recently.


Do you reckon that's because we always overlook players in our own VFL team when drafting? Surely it wouldn't be too much of a burden to keep open one or two list spots each year to reward the best non-listed players. Might mean we have hte ability to attract better players because we are seen as a destination club which gets kids to the next level.

I think it is more than that.
Players want to win premierships and go to teams that have strong structures also.
Ex-AFL players help in that regard, not sure how many we had this year helping the kids out.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 12:30 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Heavs wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
sinbagger wrote:

Good luck getting the VFL team into finals with 1-2 AFL listed players who grew up in Ireland and have only just learnt to kick an AFL football. If Power could make that miracle work he would be courted by every AFL club looking for a new coach.

:thumbsup:
Also our VFL program is not as strong for non-listed (or ex listed) players like Box Hill for example or has the young talent coming out of it like Werribee has recently.


Do you reckon that's because we always overlook players in our own VFL team when drafting? Surely it wouldn't be too much of a burden to keep open one or two list spots each year to reward the best non-listed players. Might mean we have hte ability to attract better players because we are seen as a destination club which gets kids to the next level.

The only ‘promise’ for VFL players is that they get to put themselves in the shop window & play an AFL role. They’re not signing up to a wait list.

Our program saw off three successive captains under Power.

Won a final in Dan O’Keefe’s last season in 2022.
Flogged out of a finals spot in 2023.
Four games in 2024.
2025 we took a baker’s dozen listed players into early season contests against standalone sides & they treated us like witches hats. Jacob Dawson had 20 touches in the first quarter, on our deck, and Power didn’t even send the runner out.

Every time I heard him speak, it was like a remedial class. He’d would pause for an answer to rhetorical questions. Constantly waiting for affirmation.

He was uninspiring. Good administrator, good assistant. Not someone that should lead his own team.

I don't know what he is like as a coach other than what we seen on game day, but if that is the case then it may not be a bad thing that he has left.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 1:44 pm 
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Let’s face it, our overall coaching acumen has left plenty to be desired for way too long. I for one welcome the material changes and hope we make some great appointments to support Voss. I’m not fully convinced he’s the guy but if we provide him with excellent support, I’m hopeful we can make vast improvements.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 2:55 pm 
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Spot on.
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Good times ahead.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2025 5:56 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
Let’s face it, our overall coaching acumen has left plenty to be desired for way too long. I for one welcome the material changes and hope we make some great appointments to support Voss. I’m not fully convinced he’s the guy but if we provide him with excellent support, I’m hopeful we can make vast improvements.


The question I always like to ask, would Hardwick, Clarkson, Lyon, Scott, etc. be demanding assistance to help them setup their game plan, structures and support them in what they want implemented and even control the match day process? Would they need a head of football to set the standards?

I think we all know who is in control on match day when it comes to these coaches and what is expected. Just a thought.


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