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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:55 pm 
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Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.


How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 7:37 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.


How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.


Exactly. If a player doesn’t follow instructions they aren’t played. If a player isn’t listening to coaches they are dumped.
Enough said.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:19 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Reluctance to use run and carry, Surrey?
Which players are you using to execute that game plan? The coaches role is to extract the most out of the list at his disposal. IMHO, that's what he's doing.


How many times do we see our players kick instead of handballing to a player forward or beside them BV?
Surely, you've noticed our players ignoring the run carrier next to them to kick. Mostly inside50 as well.
That is coaching and game plan execution.

The way we ignore leading targets inside f50 was highlighted on one of the footy shows a few weeks back.
It happens so often that it has to be to instruction.


Exactly. If a player doesn’t follow instructions they aren’t played. If a player is listening to coaches they are dumped.
Enough said.

C'mon lads, this is getting a little silly now, sorry.
1. There is absolutely no coach in the league, the VFL, country footy etc that would tell their players to ignore a lead in the F50.
That is absolute rubbish.
2. If a player doesn't follow instructions then they should be dropped.
So would you drop Crippa, Curnow, TDK and McKay and who would you replace them with?
And if you dropped any of the bottom 6, the ones coming in are not much better.
We just don't have the depth.
Plus we can't just drop most of the team, we have to build on-field cohesion too and that only comes from playing together as a group.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:23 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I have never, ever said it’s just the game plan.
I’ve mentioned our list management - last 2 years delisting of experienced players for draft picks many times.
I’ve mentioned players such as McGovern, Acres, Saad, etc. being pathetic in what they output many times.
I’ve also mentioned our coaches being rigid with selections and even positions.
The greatest issue however is the game plan and our reluctance to use run and carry or even structure to execute.

Speed and skill => time and space => run and carry.
Pretty simple stuff.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:56 pm 
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I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol: or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:39 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol: or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:47 am 
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Sidefx wrote:
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I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol: or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.

Yep , we only have a handful of top liners . Get "em going .

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 10:50 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
I don’t know - I’ve known and seen plenty of coaches drop players for not following rules (some even in the AFL) :lol: or for even wanting to make a statement to the group.

I agree, but when you have a distinct top 6 players that you rely on and then nothing, you'd be a fool to drop them, especially when you are not winning games.
That is the conundrum he is in as a coach, damed if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The smarter way is to help them get out of their funk and push them to get going again, which is the way he goes about it.

Yep , we only have a handful of top liners . Get "em going .

Common sense in a sea on anguish is required at the end of year IMO.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 2:45 pm 
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One thing Vossy needs to improve, more than anything else, is his connection with the club psychologist.

The leaders, to a man, retreated to their safe spaces before the season started & the rest of the group followed. They’re only poking their heads out now that the team’s expectations are shot to bits.

Dr Kavanagh needs to be on board with the expected outcomes.

Harry kicking around the corner.
Charlie wheel & hoof it.
Cripps running on ball all day.
Weitering welded to the goal square.
Every transition mid just booting it up the line.
Small forwards working high & staying there to defend a rebound.
Play on from the kick in & hoik it out to the nearest ruckman.

These aren’t built into the game plan. These are security blankets for a depressed group.

I know it’s not as simple as sitting them down for a self help seminar such as Troy McLure’s Get Confident, Stupid. But there has to be a behavioural correction.

Those four key blokes are with us until their days are done. No one is buying them in their current state.

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