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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:24 pm 
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Do you really expect Motlop to be delisted? I'd be annoyed if we selected a young player every week only to dump him at season's end. Complete waste of resources. I don't believe it's a sunk cost fallacy either; he's shown some good things in midfield and even in defence; perhaps his future is not in the forward line but I think he still has a future. I agree that Fog has probably run his race; he does certain things nicely but doesn't threaten. Depth/VFL at best. White and F Young have done themselves proud but will miss the cut.


Only opinions GE. I'd love it if he made small forward a winner for us, but I can't see it.
He was drafted with pick 27 for a small forward role. Is he the small forward we need? Has he got any tricks? Does he have enough speed for that role? He's a good tackler. Maybe he would be better off playing rugby, if that's all he does.

We have to stop being precious about him costing us pick 27. Can we get that pick back? If not, do we hold him. WE have learned tp let go high picks if they don't work out, pick 3, Dow, pick 5 SPS, pick 10 LOB....and so on. Its sunk. I doubt we can ever get anything close to pick 27. Maybe he can help us out with points for Dean is what I'm thinking, so we can use TDK pick for something we need.

As for giving him a game on a weekly basis...
If he wasn't selected as a small forward on a weekly basis, who would be taking his spot? We have Williams as a dangerous small forward (but he's often injured) Evans, White, Durdin, Fogarty, Fantasia, Young? Put it this way, he's been given opportunity ahead of supp players Evans White Young, and Williams, Durdin and Fantasia have often been out with injury. He's been lucky imo, and cost us the highest pick with the lot of them, so the pick no. has been respected and given every chance to succeed, so he's given plenty of chance, and accept his selection has been due to a lack of competition for his spot, given Voss plays a minimum of 3 small forwards per game and up to 6 week. Ofcourse he's going to get a game. We started season in round 1with 13 out injured, and last week we had 14 out. He's been lucky.

Motlop is great in the middle?.......when the ball is hit down his throat in space and then he's got a 3m advantage on any opponent. How often does that happen? Not much. Most ground ball is hunted by Cripps and Hewett, and they need outside speed and evasive ability. IMO Motlop needs silver service to work out in midfield and he doesn't hunt to win his own ball, and when he does he looks for a tackler to stop play. No creativity because he lacks speed of mind and foot.

One game he had 3 CC, but there's most games he's not been given one.

What role do you see Motlop possibly playing in defence and who does he replace? That's the big question. Could only possibly be a BP....in the VFL me thinks. Too many ahead of him.

Smith and Walsh are missing to midfield group next year. When they return from injury, so will Cottrell, and possibly Elijah. Cripps and Hewett are going nowhere. Ben Camporeale wants a go in there too.

Other than Williams, I don't know how or why anyone can be confident in any of our other small forwards, with the exception of Durdin, but his body is not reliable.

There's a reason we are still in the hunt for a smart, speedy small forward with tricks after a decade of trying: we've backed the wrong horse.

My money is on Motlop not offered a contract come years end. Lets see.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:45 pm 
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They weren't delisted. If we have a trade target for Motlop then that's another matter entirely, we'd be putting him in the shop window.


We have got targets GE. Whether we land one is another story.

That should give everyone an idea of Motlops market value.

I encourage it.

Keeping him because we can't get a buyer should set off alarm bells ... or if delisted, he may be pickdd up cheaply by Fremantle who wanted him in his draft year or WCE who need a competitive small forward beast, who can sniff a goal, and never misses set shots from 35 in front :wink:

If we did land Papley in 2021 to join Fog and Durdin, do you think we would have used pick 27 on Motlop in 2022? Consequently, would we have picked Fantasia in 2023? White Evans and young in 2025?

We are looking.

Motlop is out of contract, and hasn't been offered one yet.

Regardless of my opinion, can you see any hint he may not be retained?

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 2:47 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
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Harry Barnett sounds right for a Carlton player
Bloody hell, if this kid is gettable, get him. He will be 22 next year.

OKeefe will need another couple preseasons and another year developing.
OKeefe and Barnett would be ready to hold their own from 2028 onwards.

I don’t want to rely on Pittonet and OKeefe next year.
Both injury prone. One is a 20yo body, the other on one Seuss leg.

Really want a better number one ruck than Pittonet for 3 years 2026-2028
Would love OBrien for 3 years.

Sort out the skies for next 5 years with current spine.

He’s been a bit shit in the WAFL, certainly less than what I thought he’d be, but that’s great for a buyer.

I’d be banking on their awful culture being a factor & even though we’re not that much better, I’d be extremely confident that big Humphrey can turn him around in a hurry.

He’s a good one-clunk intercept mark & an elite runner for 203cm & 100kg. A classic foil for what O’Keeffe is bringing through.


I'm looking for more footage on him. I have a good feeling about this kid. 100kg who can run and mark. Gold.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 3:19 pm 
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Speaking of contracts 2 have to go to bring us down to 44 players:

TDK and Doc open 2 spots ( and release $1.1M and $700K)

Contracts expiring end of 2025:

TDK has a 7 year offer from us GONE
SOS has a 4 year offer from us STAY

Kemp crickets
Gov crickets
Motlop crickets
Wilson crickets
Young crickets
Evans crickets
White crickets
Young crickets
Evans crickets

Lemmey crickets..... but his manager is trying to increase his value with Port
Cincotta crickets..... but easy to promote but needs someones spot in the 44
Charleson crickets ...but can be extended as a rookie
Monohan crickets ....but his spot may be taken by Ison or Gresham
Haynes crickets ......came to us for one year and a development role, but I can see why we need his type for another year.

Next year's contract negotiations:

Cheap contracts could be paid out this year:

Binns
Fogarty
Durdin
Boyd
Lord
OKeefe
Moir

Young
Ollie
Cowan
Elijah....may be a case of mutual agreement

High value contracts we must consider end of 2026:

Saad
Williams
Walsh
Newman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 6:17 pm 
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Interesting story from Tom Morris on Curnow.

Will post the details shortly as I only caught some of it.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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https://x.com/9NewsMelb/status/1947571993353572527

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Carlton has shut down Charlie Curnow's wishes to play for Gold Coast, telling him he's not for trade. @TomMorris32

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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On more than one occasion recently Carlton officials have been forced to tell Charlie Curnow and his management he won’t be traded this off-season. He’s expressed his openness to a move to Gold Coast.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:12 pm 
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On more than one occasion recently Carlton officials have been forced to tell Charlie Curnow and his management he won’t be traded this off-season. He’s expressed his openness to a move to Gold Coast.

:lol:

Let him explore his options.

Might just be the humbling he needs.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:12 pm 
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On more than one occasion recently Carlton officials have been forced to tell Charlie Curnow and his management he won’t be traded this off-season. He’s expressed his openness to a move to Gold Coast.
Straight swap for Noah Anderson

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 8:34 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Tom Morris
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On more than one occasion recently Carlton officials have been forced to tell Charlie Curnow and his management he won’t be traded this off-season. He’s expressed his openness to a move to Gold Coast.
Straight swap for Noah Anderson

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 9:00 pm 
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So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Sidefx wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Tom Morris
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On more than one occasion recently Carlton officials have been forced to tell Charlie Curnow and his management he won’t be traded this off-season. He’s expressed his openness to a move to Gold Coast.
Straight swap for Noah Anderson

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And Ben Long.


Now you're talking! And with Matty Rowell heart broken that his mates all got to go to his beloved Blues, he'll be sure to follow next year.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:26 pm 
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kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


The playing list is imploding.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2025 10:34 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


The playing list is imploding.


Status quo isn't working. Needs change. Change is good. Given the right deals, I'd let Curnow, Walsh, McKay and Acres go. We've seen their best. Turn it over.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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DocSherrin III wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


The playing list is imploding.


Status quo isn't working. Needs change. Change is good. Given the right deals, I'd let Curnow, Walsh, McKay and Acres go. We've seen their best. Turn it over.


I think the biggest issue with this is that this isn't the draft to do it, if everything you read is to be believed. We'd be selling the farm for magic beans

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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sinbagger wrote:
kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


The playing list is imploding.
When the list manager decides that the players weren't good enough and didn't bring in depth to cover injuries and filled the list up with under 21 players it's not surprising that senior players starved of success are looking elsewhere.
Austin gave a big FU to Cripps Walsh Harry TDK Curnow JSOS Saad last year so now they all want out.
You are not stronger together when you do what he did.
Club will pay for this for years to come.
It is not to dissimilar to what Pagan did


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Saad? Or do you mean the rumours he's going to retire?

kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?
Honestly sounds like GW is giving the tree a good shake to see what comes loose and what he prise off.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 7:48 am 
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The_Cranium wrote:
DocSherrin III wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
kezza wrote:
So far the media has TDK leaving (likely)
Curnow wanting to go to GC.
Walsh considering leaving.
Mckay being traded.
JSOS going to either Collingwood or St Kilda.
Acres open to a trade.
Did I miss anyone?


The playing list is imploding.


Status quo isn't working. Needs change. Change is good. Given the right deals, I'd let Curnow, Walsh, McKay and Acres go. We've seen their best. Turn it over.


I think the biggest issue with this is that this isn't the draft to do it, if everything you read is to be believed. We'd be selling the farm for magic beans


I think he would be talking our players for established players and not picks given that the pool isn’t very deep.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Wed Jul 23, 2025 8:32 am 
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Crusader wrote:
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FFS, sign him up and stop @#$%&! around.

As much as we love Jack the fact is that he is injury prone and turns 28 later this year.
Pick #25 compo would be very handy as it would probably allow us to get Dean without having to use the DeKoning compo pick.
I would rather he stay, however our premiership window is closed IMO and we probably should focus on rebuilding.

How certain are you that we’ll be compensated twice? I know I’m not.

I'm not sure but didn't GWS get Band 1 compensation for Perryman as well as end of Rd 1 compensation for Cumming last year?

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