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Like most young blokes, Skull needs to prove that a return from injury doesn’t come with a period of blowing out the cobwebs.

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Saad (hopefully), Wilson & White are the ones I’d be looking at for a recall.

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malbi wrote:
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You want to do something different?

Pick Lemmey and Skull and TDK to play fwd and have Charlie play either on the wing or CHB.
Sounds good to me. Mix it up. We can't do any worse.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 9:22 am 
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Why not?

Haynes - Weitering - Cowan
Hollands - O'Farrell - Curnow
Cincotta - Cripps - Williams
Lord - Lemmey - White
Motlop - TDK - Moir
Pitto - Cerra - Hewett

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Hello Harry guess what you are in - allow me to introduce yourself to Stephen

Stephen he is new to this please be gentle

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Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 3:24 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


I could easily name 10 senior players in the team who have added little in the last few months.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:13 pm 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


My first response is Why?

Easy to say kid, but which kid? So I'll ask who?
It can't be O'Keefe, Lemmey...they are big boys. Ben Campo, suspended.
Its either Wilson or Charleson to play in the backline.
Two players I would like to see more of this year. Both come out of contract come year's end.

But back to Cincotta comment. There's a reason Cincotta has been rushed back to the team, and if you are looking at stats to judge Cincotta, I think that's unfair. You should look at the role he's been asked to play, and his success given no preseason.

I dare say, his strength, discipline, skills and speed have been missed this year, along with Cottrell.
Cincotta has done well since he's come back. Lets see what he's added since his comeback.

Cincotta hasn't done a preseason but was rushed back to shut down Merrett. He did that and we won
Name one kid who could do that?

Next game, he locked down on Premiership player, Liam Baker, who was getting his 35-40 possessions at HB, and nullified him.
We won that game too.

There was talk, his body was too sore for the North game, but it was a game we had to win. He should have tagged McKercher, but instead Vossy and Co put him on Daniel.
McKercher didn't have a strong opponent (actually got a 20yo kid, Carroll), and McKercher tore us a new one.

Next game he tagged Butters in the middle but starting from the HFF. By the time Cincotta got to Butters in the middle (and there was 54 centre square bounces), Butters had already done the damage. Can't blame Cincotta for that.

Cincotta wasn't on the injured list, but his body needed a rest since the North game, and he was rested next game against Pies. He was ommitted, but in actual fact he was rested and didnt play any footy.

He was recalled back last weekend vs Lions and played on Callum Au Chee for parts of the game, and did well.

Cincotta is a player I hope we keep next year. I don't care if he's depth, because if he is, we have come a long way over the Trade season.

I'm not precious about keeping Cincotta in the team, because its obvious we are not playing to win anymore, but I don't think he's been the problem this year. He's a player we need, if winning is important, which its not.

Like I said, I'd like to see more of Wilson and Charleson, given they have been playing well in the VFL, and contract is up for renewal, and we have to let kids go because we have too many of them and not enough experienced players.

Otherwise, I'm against throwing kids into a team with plenty of 8 young kids, too much inexperience, and players not playing team footy. That is not a place I would want any kids thrown in to sink or swim. We are here to develop, not traumatise. We've thrown jkids into deep end since 2015 and look what good that's done for us. Of the 48 players SOS recruited, only 11 left, and he used a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks after Trading most players for picks.

Gifting games has been the problem with Carlton since we were allowed to take part in the Draft again in 2004, and its proven by the likes of Cats, Swans, Lions, its not the way to develop kids.
Kids should get their bodies right before thrown into the deep end. Getting kids to 50 games, does not imply throwing them into the deep end from 18yo-21yo, as if 50 games is a guarantee to become AFL level player. They have to come in with the body right and potential to compete at the level, high. Any earlier and they fall off the cliff because they were never ready to show their potential, let alone survive injury.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:15 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Like most young blokes, Skull needs to prove that a return from injury doesn’t come with a period of blowing out the cobwebs.


Exactly

Set them up for success, not to see if they sink or wswim.

Its not fair on anyone.

O'Keefe needs a couple more games to blow out cobwebs at this stage.

I do not want to hear he's done another hammy in 2025....or I will spew

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 4:28 pm 
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diesel95 wrote:
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We never (or rarely) win with two rucks. So I don't know why Voss persists. Neither Pitto or TDK can play forward well (despite three goals between them today). When we go with two rucks Pitto is the preferred starting ruckman and in the last two weeks he has actually played well.

If TDK has checked out then I would drop him to the VFL and bring in a true forward Lemmey. A decent target might take the pressure off Charlie. If TDK wants a future with us then he needs to show it. At the moment he is not worth half of $1.7M. It could be another Tom Boyd situation. Imagine him going to St Kilda with all of this fanfare and him not being any good.

I think his contract situation has been one big factor in our fall off this year.

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When they brought back Pitto a few weeks ago I was hoping for Lemmy instead of Pitto but knew they would go with Pitto and TDK… the problematic two rucks situation. Voss looks for consistence of personal to "build that chemistry in the ones"… the chemistry with the worst kicking effectiveness (#18 in two key kicking stats I think they were general play KE and kicking inside 50 KE) in the AFL as revealed in the stats by Josh Gablich on one of those AFL shows this week).

Two rucks hasn't worked well at Pies or Demons in the past, not say it cannot work at all but depends on the kinds of players the two rucks are and the holes in the rest of the list. It's mainly a problem b/c TDK plays his best as a follower not as a KPF, ditto Pitto.

Maybe they don't want to torch Lemmy with whatever disease has infected our KPFs? Keep him in reserves for rest of the year and let him build his confidence and skill with decent opportunities to take marks on the lead.

TDK contract situation wouldn't be a big deal if we were top 4 this year. Lots have top 8 clubs have an important player out of contract. And who knows… Saints might end up back peddling on the $1.7 for TDK if some of their other fish stay to fry.

Also I don't think TDK has checked out, if it was about him resigned to transferring to St Kilda he'd be playing out of his skin to make sure he banks the extra $0.5m per year for the next 7 yrs or whatever they are offering. same with Charlie he's not "checked out" they're both just struggling and somewhat starved of opportunities to shine. not to mention team success and the confidence that brings like the rest of the players.


Saints will not be taking TDK offer off the table, unless he does an ACL, and even then I'm guessing Saints aren't expecting a Flag in TDK's first year. . In fact, all we are hearing this week is the Saints act like its a done deal behind the scenes.

Don't wind yourself up too much about the 2 rucks.
We lost our opening 5 games with one ruck, and the opposition rucks in those games were either most influential on ground, won coaches votes or plainly beat TDK. Why don't you criticise the one ruck failure? In fact, we lost all our games with one ruck, with the exception of the last 2 games. We've played 17 games. That's a good sample size.

Have a look at half a dozen other teams who have enjoyed success with the two rucks. Its not a furphy. It can be successful. I too was surprised to see Pitto back this year with 2 rucks, but have been surprised by the form he showed last week. Weren't you?

Collingwood has only lost 3 games this year. Can you tell me which games the two rucks failed them?

We will see Lemmey. He's out of contract end of this year. I thought Lemmey would have been picked after his haul of 7, but happy O'Keefe got the nod. Maybe the List Mgr have already decided on Lemmey, but I think he's improving and worth keeping anmd playing in the forwardline. His ruck craft is terrible. I don't know why? You never hear of him training with the ruck squad with Kreuzer.

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bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


My first response is Why?

Easy to say kid, but which kid? So I'll ask who?
It can't be O'Keefe, Lemmey...they are big boys. Ben Campo, suspended.
Its either Wilson or Charleson to play in the backline.
Two players I would like to see more of this year. Both come out of contract come year's end.

But back to Cincotta comment. There's a reason Cincotta has been rushed back to the team, and if you are looking at stats to judge Cincotta, I think that's unfair. You should look at the role he's been asked to play, and his success given no preseason.

I dare say, his strength, discipline, skills and speed have been missed this year, along with Cottrell.
Cincotta has done well since he's come back. Lets see what he's added since his comeback.

Cincotta hasn't done a preseason but was rushed back to shut down Merrett. He did that and we won
Name one kid who could do that?

Next game, he locked down on Premiership player, Liam Baker, who was getting his 35-40 possessions at HB, and nullified him.
We won that game too.

There was talk, his body was too sore for the North game, but it was a game we had to win. He should have tagged McKercher, but instead Vossy and Co put him on Daniel.
McKercher didn't have a strong opponent (actually got a 20yo kid, Carroll), and McKercher tore us a new one.

Next game he tagged Butters in the middle but starting from the HFF. By the time Cincotta got to Butters in the middle (and there was 54 centre square bounces), Butters had already done the damage. Can't blame Cincotta for that.

Cincotta wasn't on the injured list, but his body needed a rest since the North game, and he was rested next game against Pies. He was ommitted, but in actual fact he was rested and didnt play any footy.

He was recalled back last weekend vs Lions and played on Callum Au Chee for parts of the game, and did well.

Cincotta is a player I hope we keep next year. I don't care if he's depth, because if he is, we have come a long way over the Trade season.

I'm not precious about keeping Cincotta in the team, because its obvious we are not playing to win anymore, but I don't think he's been the problem this year. He's a player we need, if winning is important, which its not.

Like I said, I'd like to see more of Wilson and Charleson, given they have been playing well in the VFL, and contract is up for renewal, and we have to let kids go because we have too many of them and not enough experienced players.

Otherwise, I'm against throwing kids into a team with plenty of 8 young kids, too much inexperience, and players not playing team footy. That is not a place I would want any kids thrown in to sink or swim. We are here to develop, not traumatise. We've thrown jkids into deep end since 2015 and look what good that's done for us. Of the 48 players SOS recruited, only 11 left, and he used a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks after Trading most players for picks.

Gifting games has been the problem with Carlton since we were allowed to take part in the Draft again in 2004, and its proven by the likes of Cats, Swans, Lions, its not the way to develop kids.
Kids should get their bodies right before thrown into the deep end. Getting kids to 50 games, does not imply throwing them into the deep end from 18yo-21yo, as if 50 games is a guarantee to become AFL level player. They have to come in with the body right and potential to compete at the level, high. Any earlier and they fall off the cliff because they were never ready to show their potential, let alone survive injury.


Thanks for your detailed response.

I haven't looked at his stat's to be honest, Bondi.
Just the eye test.

We won 2 games with him negating, 2 games which we would have won anyway.

With the season over I'd much prefer the club start to look at playing our way, setting up how we want to play and not worrying about tagging.

2026 starts now.

What's the point having a player tag an oppo gun, getting little ball and losing a game by 4 goals instead of 7.

He's named on a wing I believe this week.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 5:00 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


My first response is Why?

Easy to say kid, but which kid? So I'll ask who?
It can't be O'Keefe, Lemmey...they are big boys. Ben Campo, suspended.
Its either Wilson or Charleson to play in the backline.
Two players I would like to see more of this year. Both come out of contract come year's end.

But back to Cincotta comment. There's a reason Cincotta has been rushed back to the team, and if you are looking at stats to judge Cincotta, I think that's unfair. You should look at the role he's been asked to play, and his success given no preseason.

I dare say, his strength, discipline, skills and speed have been missed this year, along with Cottrell.
Cincotta has done well since he's come back. Lets see what he's added since his comeback.

Cincotta hasn't done a preseason but was rushed back to shut down Merrett. He did that and we won
Name one kid who could do that?

Next game, he locked down on Premiership player, Liam Baker, who was getting his 35-40 possessions at HB, and nullified him.
We won that game too.

There was talk, his body was too sore for the North game, but it was a game we had to win. He should have tagged McKercher, but instead Vossy and Co put him on Daniel.
McKercher didn't have a strong opponent (actually got a 20yo kid, Carroll), and McKercher tore us a new one.

Next game he tagged Butters in the middle but starting from the HFF. By the time Cincotta got to Butters in the middle (and there was 54 centre square bounces), Butters had already done the damage. Can't blame Cincotta for that.

Cincotta wasn't on the injured list, but his body needed a rest since the North game, and he was rested next game against Pies. He was ommitted, but in actual fact he was rested and didnt play any footy.

He was recalled back last weekend vs Lions and played on Callum Au Chee for parts of the game, and did well.

Cincotta is a player I hope we keep next year. I don't care if he's depth, because if he is, we have come a long way over the Trade season.

I'm not precious about keeping Cincotta in the team, because its obvious we are not playing to win anymore, but I don't think he's been the problem this year. He's a player we need, if winning is important, which its not.

Like I said, I'd like to see more of Wilson and Charleson, given they have been playing well in the VFL, and contract is up for renewal, and we have to let kids go because we have too many of them and not enough experienced players.

Otherwise, I'm against throwing kids into a team with plenty of 8 young kids, too much inexperience, and players not playing team footy. That is not a place I would want any kids thrown in to sink or swim. We are here to develop, not traumatise. We've thrown jkids into deep end since 2015 and look what good that's done for us. Of the 48 players SOS recruited, only 11 left, and he used a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks after Trading most players for picks.

Gifting games has been the problem with Carlton since we were allowed to take part in the Draft again in 2004, and its proven by the likes of Cats, Swans, Lions, its not the way to develop kids.
Kids should get their bodies right before thrown into the deep end. Getting kids to 50 games, does not imply throwing them into the deep end from 18yo-21yo, as if 50 games is a guarantee to become AFL level player. They have to come in with the body right and potential to compete at the level, high. Any earlier and they fall off the cliff because they were never ready to show their potential, let alone survive injury.


Thanks for your detailed response.

I haven't looked at his stat's to be honest, Bondi.
Just the eye test.

We won 2 games with him negating, 2 games which we would have won anyway.

With the season over I'd much prefer the club start to look at playing our way, setting up how we want to play and not worrying about tagging.

2026 starts now.

What's the point having a player tag an oppo gun, getting little ball and losing a game by 4 goals instead of 7.

He's named on a wing I believe this week.

Give Lucas a run if available

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bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


My first response is Why?

Easy to say kid, but which kid? So I'll ask who?
It can't be O'Keefe, Lemmey...they are big boys. Ben Campo, suspended.
Its either Wilson or Charleson to play in the backline.
Two players I would like to see more of this year. Both come out of contract come year's end.

But back to Cincotta comment. There's a reason Cincotta has been rushed back to the team, and if you are looking at stats to judge Cincotta, I think that's unfair. You should look at the role he's been asked to play, and his success given no preseason.

I dare say, his strength, discipline, skills and speed have been missed this year, along with Cottrell.
Cincotta has done well since he's come back. Lets see what he's added since his comeback.

Cincotta hasn't done a preseason but was rushed back to shut down Merrett. He did that and we won
Name one kid who could do that?

Next game, he locked down on Premiership player, Liam Baker, who was getting his 35-40 possessions at HB, and nullified him.
We won that game too.

There was talk, his body was too sore for the North game, but it was a game we had to win. He should have tagged McKercher, but instead Vossy and Co put him on Daniel.
McKercher didn't have a strong opponent (actually got a 20yo kid, Carroll), and McKercher tore us a new one.

Next game he tagged Butters in the middle but starting from the HFF. By the time Cincotta got to Butters in the middle (and there was 54 centre square bounces), Butters had already done the damage. Can't blame Cincotta for that.

Cincotta wasn't on the injured list, but his body needed a rest since the North game, and he was rested next game against Pies. He was ommitted, but in actual fact he was rested and didnt play any footy.

He was recalled back last weekend vs Lions and played on Callum Au Chee for parts of the game, and did well.

Cincotta is a player I hope we keep next year. I don't care if he's depth, because if he is, we have come a long way over the Trade season.

I'm not precious about keeping Cincotta in the team, because its obvious we are not playing to win anymore, but I don't think he's been the problem this year. He's a player we need, if winning is important, which its not.

Like I said, I'd like to see more of Wilson and Charleson, given they have been playing well in the VFL, and contract is up for renewal, and we have to let kids go because we have too many of them and not enough experienced players.

Otherwise, I'm against throwing kids into a team with plenty of 8 young kids, too much inexperience, and players not playing team footy. That is not a place I would want any kids thrown in to sink or swim. We are here to develop, not traumatise. We've thrown jkids into deep end since 2015 and look what good that's done for us. Of the 48 players SOS recruited, only 11 left, and he used a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks after Trading most players for picks.

Gifting games has been the problem with Carlton since we were allowed to take part in the Draft again in 2004, and its proven by the likes of Cats, Swans, Lions, its not the way to develop kids.
Kids should get their bodies right before thrown into the deep end. Getting kids to 50 games, does not imply throwing them into the deep end from 18yo-21yo, as if 50 games is a guarantee to become AFL level player. They have to come in with the body right and potential to compete at the level, high. Any earlier and they fall off the cliff because they were never ready to show their potential, let alone survive injury.


Thanks for your detailed response.

I haven't looked at his stat's to be honest, Bondi.
Just the eye test.

We won 2 games with him negating, 2 games which we would have won anyway.

With the season over I'd much prefer the club start to look at playing our way, setting up how we want to play and not worrying about tagging.

2026 starts now.

What's the point having a player tag an oppo gun, getting little ball and losing a game by 4 goals instead of 7.

He's named on a wing I believe this week.

Give Lucas a run if available

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diesel_85 wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
diesel_85 wrote:
Cincotta has added very little since being rushed back.
Much prefer a kid over him at this stage


My first response is Why?

Easy to say kid, but which kid? So I'll ask who?
It can't be O'Keefe, Lemmey...they are big boys. Ben Campo, suspended.
Its either Wilson or Charleson to play in the backline.
Two players I would like to see more of this year. Both come out of contract come year's end.

But back to Cincotta comment. There's a reason Cincotta has been rushed back to the team, and if you are looking at stats to judge Cincotta, I think that's unfair. You should look at the role he's been asked to play, and his success given no preseason.

I dare say, his strength, discipline, skills and speed have been missed this year, along with Cottrell.
Cincotta has done well since he's come back. Lets see what he's added since his comeback.

Cincotta hasn't done a preseason but was rushed back to shut down Merrett. He did that and we won
Name one kid who could do that?

Next game, he locked down on Premiership player, Liam Baker, who was getting his 35-40 possessions at HB, and nullified him.
We won that game too.

There was talk, his body was too sore for the North game, but it was a game we had to win. He should have tagged McKercher, but instead Vossy and Co put him on Daniel.
McKercher didn't have a strong opponent (actually got a 20yo kid, Carroll), and McKercher tore us a new one.

Next game he tagged Butters in the middle but starting from the HFF. By the time Cincotta got to Butters in the middle (and there was 54 centre square bounces), Butters had already done the damage. Can't blame Cincotta for that.

Cincotta wasn't on the injured list, but his body needed a rest since the North game, and he was rested next game against Pies. He was ommitted, but in actual fact he was rested and didnt play any footy.

He was recalled back last weekend vs Lions and played on Callum Au Chee for parts of the game, and did well.

Cincotta is a player I hope we keep next year. I don't care if he's depth, because if he is, we have come a long way over the Trade season.

I'm not precious about keeping Cincotta in the team, because its obvious we are not playing to win anymore, but I don't think he's been the problem this year. He's a player we need, if winning is important, which its not.

Like I said, I'd like to see more of Wilson and Charleson, given they have been playing well in the VFL, and contract is up for renewal, and we have to let kids go because we have too many of them and not enough experienced players.

Otherwise, I'm against throwing kids into a team with plenty of 8 young kids, too much inexperience, and players not playing team footy. That is not a place I would want any kids thrown in to sink or swim. We are here to develop, not traumatise. We've thrown jkids into deep end since 2015 and look what good that's done for us. Of the 48 players SOS recruited, only 11 left, and he used a lot of 1st and 2nd round picks after Trading most players for picks.

Gifting games has been the problem with Carlton since we were allowed to take part in the Draft again in 2004, and its proven by the likes of Cats, Swans, Lions, its not the way to develop kids.
Kids should get their bodies right before thrown into the deep end. Getting kids to 50 games, does not imply throwing them into the deep end from 18yo-21yo, as if 50 games is a guarantee to become AFL level player. They have to come in with the body right and potential to compete at the level, high. Any earlier and they fall off the cliff because they were never ready to show their potential, let alone survive injury.


Thanks for your detailed response.

I haven't looked at his stat's to be honest, Bondi.
Just the eye test.

We won 2 games with him negating, 2 games which we would have won anyway.

With the season over I'd much prefer the club start to look at playing our way, setting up how we want to play and not worrying about tagging.

2026 starts now.

What's the point having a player tag an oppo gun, getting little ball and losing a game by 4 goals instead of 7.

He's named on a wing I believe this week.

Give Lucas a run if available


There’s not much we disagree with imo.
How we view players is the diff, with eye stats or both.

We crave for players to play their roles, so we have to accept with some roles, in particular a hard tag, stats don’t mean much.

The eye test should recall Cincotta burnt twice in the F50 corridor, both in the same game but we all recall Cripps burning Ollie in the forward 50. Cincotta is a victim of the state of play within our team.

Most important imo in viewing 2026, starting last week, is to have a good look at players who are out of contract at the end of the season. Cincotta is one of those players. IMO he’s the only player Voss or a future coach has a better player the strength, smarts skill bu hand foot1 percenters and discipline to stick to a task, a Naicos for example.

He’s a Rookie. He costs us a round 6 or 7 pick.

I agree we need to see them all with 7only 7? games left

Lemmey is another.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 8:45 pm 
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I see The Gov has done another hammy
Perhaps he has played his last game
Now everyone knows what I think of him as a footballer
But his selection his trade his output says everything about what’s wrong with this club
Not having a go at him as a person
It’s having a go at the club
And I’m happy to respond to any argument to the contrary


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2025 9:14 pm 
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keogh wrote:
I see The Gov has done another hammy
Perhaps he has played his last game
Now everyone knows what I think of him as a footballer
But his selection his trade his output says everything about what’s wrong with this club
Not having a go at him as a person
It’s having a go at the club
And I’m happy to respond to any argument to the contrary


Can't argue. :thumbsup:


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