I would love to see Voss call a presser this week and say I'm done , no one can coach this group and I would be better off training monkeys. It's no good for my health my family and my legacy in the Afl .No one can coach this team.
Follow it up with how pathetic the players are except one who is a broken man just like Judd before him and Kouta before that.
Players play 5 or 6 good games and become legends . Recruitment is diabolically and bring players in that are slow with little skills and can't follow basic instructions.

Just once I would like to see a coach say FU Carlton i don't need this.



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The only ‘weak’ part of that address was the senior players stepping out of his eyeline.

They’re the masters of self-preservation.

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yeah thanks for that. that's what i was trying to say as well. voss seemed to oblige them too, by not taking it up with them.

get bucket

sakc bucket

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So essentially its our:
Points for
Shots on goal
Points from turnover
Chain to score that is killing us.

In other words, we're failing to move the ball with intent up the ground to hit targets in the F50 and failing to score when we go in there.
Speed, skill and IQ.
3-4 mature players should fix this.
A couple of them being premiership players in their last years would help for some on-field leadership.

Not a sack the coach, rebuild, blow the club up scenario.
We are in the era of tweaking, not blowing up.
Our list has holes, just like it did at the end of last year.
Hopefully this off season we actually do something about it.

Our mate Kane Corny has suggested Hinkley as a senior coach under Voss to help with some game day strategy.
I wouldn't be opposed to that idea.
He also mention our 1 geared midfield and its limitations.

https://www.afl.com.au/video/1349758/first-up-laughable-daicos-criticism-why-blues-should-back-voss-but-target-hinkley?videoId=1349758&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1750583896001

Where did you get that from Braithy ? they all got a spray . Every single one of them . And Voss didn't miss the skipper either . Fact . If anything , Binns got off lightly compared to his senior teammates .

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That Binns set shot alone deserved a spray. Big deal. Welcome to senior football

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Yeah nah. Even the most amateur of lip readers can see he clearly went after 'Binnsy'.

Weak as piss.

Where did you get that from?

We can only go by the tv footage. If there's another angle, I would love to see it.

I can only assume and hope you're correct.

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I got it from Joe the Camerman . Ask around mate , I can tell you its pretty much around the mark . Voss wasn't whispering mate , plenty heard what he said . And good on him . If there is one thing you can criticise Voss about its he's actually been too soft on his players .

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they said it on the weekend on one of the footy shows - coulda been sen? the whole spray was directed at binns. since you and i are looking at the same identical footage, i'm happy to go by someone who was there witnessing it.

how you can say they all got a spray when in that footage voss's eyes were firmly locked onto binns, really has me baffled. sounds like what you want the story to be, not what the actual story is.

remove emotion. it's a business. we are not winning. lets ship out & bring in whoever we need to bring in, in order to win. no favourites. no silly emotional attachments.

just start fking winning, ffs

Thank you.

The whinging on here Mick about only "Binns getting a spray" is just ridiculous.
He was asked this in his post match.
One minute the naysayers are saying Voss is too soft, then when he sprays the players and the broadcast only shows it in Binns "general direction", all the bleeding hearts come out.
This selectiveness just to appease their bias on the coach is just BS.
If Binns got sprayed good, he's an AFL player playing like shit.
Piss weak is targeting our coach when the players are the ones that are on the field missing targets, missing goals, missing tackles and dropping marks.
Do they think Voss would play like this?
Yet they think he thinks this is acceptable for us to play like that.

it's puzzling behaviour to mindlessly defend a coach who's barely won a game in 12 months, and taken us from (supposed) gf contender, top 4 locks to bottom four in the space of 12 months with essentially the same list which was sitting 2nd on the ladder just 12 months ago to the day.

whats really outrageous is most of the same people defending voss, were the prime movers with the whole notion this list is ready and we will finish top 4 and make a premiership run this season - wehre reality is we don't even make the 8. heads have to, and they will roll. and i'm here for it.


the way voss wants to play, is not conducive to winning in 2025. look at the times when our list has been healthy, who he selects.

pittonet and tdk, with harry and charlie up front, and we slow play the flanks from contest to contest where we kick to packs - with absolutely zero crumbing forward presence in the team. it defies any reasonable logic. it's been happening for 3 years and it needs to stop.

off with Voss' head, bring in the next. let wright have at it, since that's what we're paying him for. build our list around the next coach using our wealth of tradeable assets.

everyone can get used to each other in 2026 in what will be a teething period, and then lets go full tilt for 17 in 2027.

lol ... spraying a rookie kid, while the real culprits in the leadership group and senior mids get away unscathed is okay is it? it's either pretty peahearted from voss, or more worryingly - it shows the inmates (senior players) are running the asylum. and that is the worry and point of it all.

the players themselves are playing like they want their coach sacked. charlie's uninterested, weiters looks like he doesn't want to be in navy blue, cripps is mailing it in - all content from his 2nd brownlow and established in the history books. dochery alarmingly is still getting games - we've lost 8 from our last 9 games doc has played, we are literally a man down with him out there.

we are a mess, and the coach is the face for all of that. this mess falls at his feet. that's the business he chose to be in.

Braithy you're right, a number of players needed to be yelled at.

But Binns was the unlucky man. Stiff shit. If it was about that shot at goal then it was still deserved.

In a roundabout sort of way it could at least make him know he's a senior now

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Firstly you are totally avoiding the issue of depth and injuries over the past 2 years.
If we had a 100% fit team we would be in the 8.
If we had of taken Houston and Newman got injured that would've have helped also.
The rest of the football community, have all pointed to us having a slow non-dynamic midfield, missing a HB with speed and a dynamic small forward.
I personally have been criticising our draft in our midfield and wings for several years now as I could see how the game was changing, so how the hell our football department could not is just confusing.
Last year the whole club overvalued the list, otherwise they would've added more senior talent to address the above areas.
Cazzz put up a good review on chaos vs control, if you haven't watched it then you should.
We don't have the players to play a chaos brand for a full game, linking handballs moving forwards at all cost.
We are therefore left playing this in bursts and the rest of the time trying to play the brand that has been winning the most games this year, controlled football.
The issue we then have is the players we have are also seemingly unable to do this with their apparent lack of skills.
We have a talent and depth issue at the club, we don't have a next man inline.
Our wings are a perfect example of this.
You also need to take into account that the game was a lot slower in 2023, there were probably only a couple of teams who could play that chaos (surge) football and when they did we could shut them down. Some of those clubs (not us) drafted to this change at the end of 2023.
In 2024, more clubs worked this out during the season that the game was heading that way and too adapted, luckily for them they had the talent, depth et.
Yet we still did not, instead we traded out more senior talent, added more kids and no depth and here we are.
You can't think a Lamborghini tractor will perform like a Lamborghini Revuelto just because it's a Lamborghini, even if Lewis Hamilton is at the wheel.
If we want to get back to finals football next year then we need to add more senior players to the list 3-4.
If not then we need to keep adding kids and accept we will be out of finals next year but hopefully back up there in 2027
So to say this is mindlessly supporting the coach is just nonsense.
And even if we did change the coach, the players are still going to be slow, lack foot skills and IQ.
Crazy talk is to think changing the coach will put us in premiership contention in 2027.

I'm not saying he is the one, but the bigger problem is the players and if they are turning against each other or the coach then that is Lord of the Flies stuff and a culture that needs to be eradicated now. Changing coaches is just adding more band-aids to an issue we have had to endure for 20+ years.

Mick's already explained that Voss didn't "spray a rookie kid", and that all the [;ayer including the seniors got a bake, and why he thinks that, I don't understand why you keep repeating it.

And I am not "defending Voss", I am sure you can think up other reasons to have a go at Voss instead of this debatable one.

And yes the players all needed a bake for their performance, so I am not sure why you are defending the players, they deserve it.