DesEnglish wrote:
Sidefx wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Contested football does not allow for time and space to execute. That’s what our coach keeps wanting us to play, I’ll say it again - contested footy……doesn’t allow us to find space in the forward line, hence why our scoring is down…… contested footy.
Now have you asked yourself why we might play that kind of football?
We’ve played that way since Voss arrived, he clearly thinks it’s the way to win.
He’s had three off seasons to change personal and the game plan.
I refuse to believe that the list management wouldn’t recruit to serve what the coach needs/wants.
We've traded in players that may have not had the output that is required or remained injury free.
We got Acres (2022), Fantasia (2023). Elijah (2023) and Haynes (2024).
Acres had a couple of good years, Fantasia and Elijah have hardly played and Haynes is looking like the best of them all but he's only going to be good for another year or two max.
Also players have contracts, he can't just come in and wipe the floor of the players he doesn't need.
We've kept Martin, Marchbank, Williams and others because of this.
We've also missed out on some good players like Houston.
As for changing the game plan.
He has been trying to, we seen it in the preseason, we've seen it for a quarter or so nearly every game this year.
The list is the choking point, coupled with a lack of depth and an on-going injury issue.
Our forward line has not been settled for 14 rounds now.
Our list has a lot more holes in it that people realise, is it catastrophic rebuild - no.
But we are missing required players in key areas to make game plan changes - yes.
You could argue we have players that can play those roles to a level, however they have been injured.
You can't tell me our F50 entires and shots on goal would not look a lot better if we had Elijah, Cotts, Harry, Charlie, Durdin, kemp and Williams up and running all season.
You also can't tell me if we had better delivery and foot speed on the wings and in the middle the players there would not also be kicking goals or at minimum drilling targets in F50.
Targeting the coach is the easy way, we've done this for 20+ years because we all think our players are the best.
Some go to other teams and have had a good career, most don't or don't even get traded.
That is the reality.
Would you have Stocker, Fish or Dow back in the side?
3 players that were 'recruited for the coach', I know I wouldn't.
Just look at our VFL side and tell me who would be 1st 18, has been in the system for a few years and has not made the cut on a regular basis or at all.
Drafting and trading is a balance of old and new and it has been pretty much all new = 2-5 years development and it's still a lottery.
So I'd say, he's only been here for 3 preseasons, if we get to 6 and we are not back playing finals, then I'll have an issue with the coach also.
For me I have seen Voss make a lot of good tactical changes this season, I have also seen his change in game plan and ball movement.
I have also seen like last week, senior players miss targets under no pressure, drop marks under no pressure, choose a contest over a player in space.
10 players had a kicking eff 50% or less against the bottom of the ladder side, that is a pretty poor output.
Time to see the forest through the trees, this is bigger than the coach can't coach.
I actually answered the question, why do we play the way we do….
I’d like to see players held to account more. Acres as an example wouldn’t be playing this week, having played on and missed from 5 meters, having taken a shot in q2 when he had players free (although maybe he was trying to pass!). Docherty did the same. 2 senior players, playing for themselves and both playing this week. I think selection integrity has been an issue across his tenure.
And yes, we’d look better if we had our best 23 available every week, I think every side would. But it often doesn’t happen, and the better sides have systems in place that allow them to lose players and still win. The GWS game was a prime example, they were missing plenty of their best players and still played their way.
We don’t have the right systems, maybe because we don’t have the right players, or maybe because the coach thinks his gameplan is what wins games.
I don’t think Voss will be a premiership coach, at Carlton or any club. There are also players that wouldn’t be premiership players irrespective of which club they’re at. Ability often limits success.
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