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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 12:01 pm 
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If he goes to Richmond I will vomit

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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CK95 wrote:
If he goes to Richmond I will vomit

(after eating my own shit)



haha. let's hope it doesn't come to that.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 1:43 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
If he goes to Richmond I will vomit

(after eating my own shit)

Not sure why I just thought of Cartman shoving food up his butt to see if he'd poo out of his mouth when reading this.
But I did.

Not a good thought either way.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 2:15 pm 
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Let's not tie ourselves up in knots about something that *might* happen in two years...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 4:41 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Humpers wrote:
Some posters on this thread seem to believe that if we trade away a couple of our big name players and "tinker" with our list it could result in premiership success just like it did for Collingwood when they traded Grundy and Treloar.
A couple of salient points:
- Collingwood were a side that had been playing deep in September for a number of years. We just had a flukey run in the 2nd half of 2023 and are realistically a middle of the road side.
- They had a generational player in Nick Daicos coming into their team

I'm certainly not against trading away some our established players however I doubt it will result in immediate success. Hopefully Graham Wright realises this.



i think we need to trade those players out and re-tool. it won't be immediate success, but hopefully along the timeframe of jagga hitting his prime, we are primed for 17.

this current list will not win a flag. hell, it might not even make another final 8.

Yes I agree - and don't forget Cody Walker


i hope it's not true, but heard it from two different people/ groups now ... walker prefers the tigers and friendships he has there over the father son & blue connection.

can anyone offer contrary info (he asks hopefully, crossing his fingers lol)?


I haven’t heard anything either way but how would he be sure to get to the Tigers? They are currently 16th and IMO on a better trajectory that will have them a few rungs higher by the time of the 2026 draft. He might have a choice between
Carlton or West Coast, Port Adelaide, St Kilda or… or even Carlton if we continue to slide!

Cody is in the Richmond academy. He choses them and gets there providing Richmond can match any bid.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 5:32 pm 
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Give me a break. All I've heard from Cody Walker is how much the Carlton mids have helped him develop his game. His family love the club. There's @#$%&! all chance of him going to Richmond.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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Unless he reads TC....

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 5:55 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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post on BF by an old time ITK (marcshmurf3) who says, "don't be surprised if one of the players in our leadership group moves clubs at the end of year".

AFAIK Cripps, Walsh, Weitering and Curnow make up that group.

Obvs still a bit of the season to go... But interesting discussion.
I don't reckon anyone's untouchable these days.

I was just about to post this.
I have just caught up on the news on there. It would appear it is either Walsh or Charlie.
Rumours that Walsh wanted out at the end of last year and another ITK poster suggesting it is Charlie.
marcshmurf3 hinting it is Charlie.


I am guessing it is Charlie, he can see he will be asked for a pay cut and is interested in being lazy elsewhere, atm he would fit in at Essendon*


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 5:57 pm 
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If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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We have a List that comes with ZERO Management...


ZERO Development and below ZERO recruitment. How do they get away with it?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:24 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.



GWS scored 38 points from our forward half in the first 2 quarters Saturday with Young, Harry and Charlie. If we set up a forward line with that lot, they could crack the ton.

Curnow is contracted until 2029. We're desperate for class and Charlie is the one class player we have. Not to mention he accepted unders with his contract whilst several others were more intent on lining their pockets.
Some people forget the bloke is shorter than Patrick Cripps yet we consistently expect him to stand under sky balls with players much bigger than him jumping all over him. Whilst Harry is running out to the pocket chasing easy kicks, Charlie gives us a reference point in the corridor.
Yet despite enduring injuries that would finish the careers of some players, he has won 2 Coleman medals and turns up every week to get consistently smashed by 2 or 3 defenders at a time. And we're going to replace him with the poorly skilled Harry McKay and a bunch of VFL players. FMD.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:29 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.



GWS scored 38 points from our forward half in the first 2 quarters Saturday with Young, Harry and Charlie. If we set up a forward line with that lot, they could crack the ton.

Curnow is contracted until 2029. We're desperate for class and Charlie is the one class player we have. Not to mention he accepted unders with his contract whilst several others were more intent on lining their pockets.
Some people forget the bloke is shorter than Patrick Cripps yet we consistently expect him to stand under sky balls with players much bigger than him jumping all over him. Whilst Harry is running out to the pocket chasing easy kicks, Charlie gives us a reference point in the corridor.
Yet despite enduring injuries that would finish the careers of some players, he has won 2 Coleman medals and turns up every week to get consistently smashed by 2 or 3 defenders at a time. And we're going to replace him with the poorly skilled Harry McKay and a bunch of VFL players. FMD.


Yeah , its no wonder Charles gets browned off .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:51 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.



GWS scored 38 points from our forward half in the first 2 quarters Saturday with Young, Harry and Charlie. If we set up a forward line with that lot, they could crack the ton.

Curnow is contracted until 2029. We're desperate for class and Charlie is the one class player we have. Not to mention he accepted unders with his contract whilst several others were more intent on lining their pockets.
Some people forget the bloke is shorter than Patrick Cripps yet we consistently expect him to stand under sky balls with players much bigger than him jumping all over him. Whilst Harry is running out to the pocket chasing easy kicks, Charlie gives us a reference point in the corridor.
Yet despite enduring injuries that would finish the careers of some players, he has won 2 Coleman medals and turns up every week to get consistently smashed by 2 or 3 defenders at a time. And we're going to replace him with the poorly skilled Harry McKay and a bunch of VFL players. FMD.



you reckon he's the one pissed and wanting out from the club (from the leadership group)?

it's a bit of a lucky dip trying to guess. the voss gameplan has the ability to shorten careers with the bludgeoning attack at the contest. i could see walsh not wanting that, i could see cripps wanting to wind it all back in perth.

but also with no viable forward structure other than drop it on charlie's head in a 2 or 3 on 1 situation ... it can't be extending his career either. maybe of the whole leadership group he looks the most over it all?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2025 9:30 pm 
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Braithy wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.



GWS scored 38 points from our forward half in the first 2 quarters Saturday with Young, Harry and Charlie. If we set up a forward line with that lot, they could crack the ton.

Curnow is contracted until 2029. We're desperate for class and Charlie is the one class player we have. Not to mention he accepted unders with his contract whilst several others were more intent on lining their pockets.
Some people forget the bloke is shorter than Patrick Cripps yet we consistently expect him to stand under sky balls with players much bigger than him jumping all over him. Whilst Harry is running out to the pocket chasing easy kicks, Charlie gives us a reference point in the corridor.
Yet despite enduring injuries that would finish the careers of some players, he has won 2 Coleman medals and turns up every week to get consistently smashed by 2 or 3 defenders at a time. And we're going to replace him with the poorly skilled Harry McKay and a bunch of VFL players. FMD.



you reckon he's the one pissed and wanting out from the club (from the leadership group)?


No. I reckon some clown at Bigfooty is throwing darts and too many people are falling for it.
Our leadership group are all under contract. If someone wants out at the end of the year, by all means we should look at the first round picks or players offered up. Until then, it's all fantasy.
No one is irreplaceable but I wouldn't be throwing out the most talented player on our list. Change things up. Give Charlie a run in the guts. Run Harry or HOK in the ruck and give TDK a run as a midfielder. Empty the forward 50 out and run Zac Williams or TDK, or a small out of the goal square. Be imaginative. Be unpredictable. You can't change the list mid season but you can inject excitement and enthusiasm with strategic change. We get the ball inside 50 as much as anyone. It's what happens when it gets there that is the problem.
Capitalise on the strength and change the weakness. But don't stress about unsubstantiated shit that may never happen.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 7:23 am 
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yeah, i agree with you. all of it.


someone said in another thread maybe the biggest loss was martin and his fitness. under voss when martin played we were a different team. his footy iq up front made everything hum.

the guys there now, couldn't rub 3 braincells all together.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 8:32 am 
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Braithy wrote:
yeah, i agree with you. all of it.


someone said in another thread maybe the biggest loss was martin and his fitness. under voss when martin played we were a different team. his footy iq up front made everything hum.

the guys there now, couldn't rub 3 braincells all together.


Orazio has a football . Elijah also has a footy brain . If we could get these two fit and firing it would go a long way in replacing Jack Martin .

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
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also, two guys with a history of not being able to get on the park. add williams to the list too.


it's just depressing at this point.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 10:14 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
If Charlie and TDK leave and we get three first rounders we could build a good fwd line around Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis. As long we we coups on fast mids and fast/agile small forwards.



GWS scored 38 points from our forward half in the first 2 quarters Saturday with Young, Harry and Charlie. If we set up a forward line with that lot, they could crack the ton.

Curnow is contracted until 2029. We're desperate for class and Charlie is the one class player we have. Not to mention he accepted unders with his contract whilst several others were more intent on lining their pockets.
Some people forget the bloke is shorter than Patrick Cripps yet we consistently expect him to stand under sky balls with players much bigger than him jumping all over him. Whilst Harry is running out to the pocket chasing easy kicks, Charlie gives us a reference point in the corridor.
Yet despite enduring injuries that would finish the careers of some players, he has won 2 Coleman medals and turns up every week to get consistently smashed by 2 or 3 defenders at a time. And we're going to replace him with the poorly skilled Harry McKay and a bunch of VFL players. FMD.


I didn't mean Harry, Hudson, Lemmey and Lewis all in the fwd line at the same time, I meant as list depth for tall fwd's. You'd only have 2-3 of the four playing at any one time in the fwd line, Hudson would be first or second ruck.

What I ment was it won't be a disaster if both leave, we can cover them, especially if we can somehow learn to play smarter and fix our forward 50 entries.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 10:15 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
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yeah, i agree with you. all of it.


someone said in another thread maybe the biggest loss was martin and his fitness. under voss when martin played we were a different team. his footy iq up front made everything hum.

the guys there now, couldn't rub 3 braincells all together.


Orazio has a football . Elijah also has a footy brain . If we could get these two fit and firing it would go a long way in replacing Jack Martin .


Is it the footy IQ of the players, or the way they are coached (or perhaps not coached) for fwd 50 entries?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2025
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2025 11:44 am 
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Young is setup to defend in the forward line as was Kemp before him. Fogarty is there to do similar.
We are 2 forwards down offensively before we kick a ball. While all our forwards are pushing up and defending space to protect our inside midfielders or one way runners, our 2 offensive weapons are being triple teamed.
Here lies our biggest problem.

Our mids win contested ball because we have Cripps and Hewett. We need them to start carrying the ball, getting on their bike defensively and creating overlap run, or remove one and use Cerra and Walsh together more often.
Ollie was motoring at half forward / wing in the first half against GWS and then got moved. Bizarre.

Our coaches have seriously lost me currently.


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