So because you don't know the game plan, it doesn't exist? The game plan isn't the problem.
On field leadership is the problem.
George Hewitt stifles Nick Daicos in the first half and is close to BOG. Daicos goes to Cripps for the first 2 centre bounces of the 3rd quarter and the captain allows him to waltz out of both stoppages with the ball. Absolutely zero pressure. Absolutely piss weak effort. The tide has turned. The ball goes into Collingwood's forward half and Ollie Hollands is in a one on one and Docherty refuses to commit his body to compete. He apologises but Ollie didn't want an apology. He wants the leaders to do their job.
The effort Hewitt has put into Daicos is pissed down the drain because the captain needs to be in the hit zone for the ruckman instead of sacrificing his role.

Five minutes of the third quarter and momentum is gone. Confidence in team adhesion is going. Belief in a full ground system is eroding because experienced players aren't doing their job. The role players are doing their job. We don't change momentum when it goes against us. Why? Because individuals then try to "save" the team or save themselves instead of staying committed to what got them the lead.
All teams go through fadeouts and momentum swings but some minimise it and break the pattern. Because their leaders lead a team based resurgence. They re-instil belief in what has worked and make sure they're the beacons of it. Why should a young bloke put his body at risk in a marking contest when McGovern and Docherty don't? Why should Motlop give the first option when the pressure goes up?
He gets the ball and thinks he can take on 5 players. Why not? The captain does it.

The players can talk connection, team etc. But talk's cheap. This game plan can work. It's suited to our list profile. But no game plan works when some players think the expectations don't apply to them. You can keep sacking coaches but that's not the answer.
It's an endless cycle. The players have to set their own standards and be accountable. Standards that apply to everyone.

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It looks to me like he’s lost the players.

I don’t know how he retrieves the situation.

We are a complete cluster of flower

What’s our plan defending stoppages in the D50?

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The Cripps v Daicos in the 3rd had me totally confused. Hewett was doing the job, why did we let the change happen?
Cripps couldn’t motor last night, that was evident, so Piss Ant was always going to run off him. I just don’t know what our players and coaches think about when they let the oppositions dictate match ups like these.
After half time Collingwood made minor changes to their setup, we did f@#$ all. Why do your coaches sit on their hands?
It’s embarrassing to see Silvagni thrown forward in the last 2 minutes of the game as the major move.

I kind of agree with BV, on reflection the 2nd half wasn't simply an unimaginative continuation of the same plan as I suggested at the time, it was a meek abandonment of the plan itself. It was also noticeable going forward: we showed courage in the second quarter by using the corridor, even when there were no easy targets and even though it generally broke down on F50 entry. As soon as Daicos broke through to hand them two goals, we reverted to slow, clueless boundary hugging crap. The team is completely overwhelmed by history: the number say we collapse in the second half and we duly obliged. I was no longer totally engaged after those two goals. Eight points down, three minutes into the second half, but we all knew the game was done. The players knew it. They don't believe in themselves or each other. I am back to doubting Cripps as a leader, sorry. He's fine when things are going well because he's a lovely bloke and a courageous, powerful player. But he doesn't have the fear factor or whatever it is to make people get over themselves and commit to the collective. Voss is the same. We need a Hodge, either on the field, on the bench or in the box.

If he needed the week off after that massive hit against the Dogs, he should have taken it.

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Voss the Brisbane player and Voss the coach are two different people.
As a coach, you need to make the hard calls!!!

I do agree with this but it goes deeper
Our list management is the worst in the comp
Our depth is terrible because of it
And the review Sayers had 4 years agonywas only about him wanting the coach and CEO gone
The football department remained untouched
Voss must drop players regardless of what’s in the twos
And something major has to be done at the end of the year
Star players have to be traded for draft picks before Tassie comes in
We as a club have never rebuilt
Never
It’s been the same cycle of shit for 25 years

as much as BV nailed our downfall last night as on the leaders and in particular, cripps.

the difference between the 2023 post camp-curnow us, and us today, is voss has lost the playing group. for whatever reason for whatever the machinations are inside of that - he has lost them.

cripps is too busy chasing brownlow votes, than doing the team things. it is 100% true cripps wanted pittonet into a winning team last season, to give him first use and rack his numbers up.


clean the place out. trade everyone of value. send cripps back home. harry will still have value with a half-dozen clubs to bring in as their spearhead (something he will never be here, bcos charlie is better).

and unfortunately for voss ... there will be a price to be paid for this (lost) season. Voss lacks dimensions as a coach, we all know this is the truth. lets steer the convo away from "we need good people, smart footy iq people around voss"

and start steering the convo towards, we need a coach who can coach, lead, make the big decisions and walk away from players when they're not playing to standard (something voss would never do, see dochery and the elim fina last year, and rounds 1-4 this year).

as much as i agree here ... you have left out some really big moments where voss and co have let us down.

we are beyond predictable. our F50 entries are not even vfl standard. we all knew sidebottom would have a night out on ollie and doc's shared wing - and he did. why didn't coaching come up with a little wrinkle?

it is full systematic breakdown occurring at carlton. players, coaches, list management, development, drafting, administrative etc ...

What value do you reckon he'd have?

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Lost 11 of 13 or 10 of 12, I’ve lost count. Where’s the change in game style? Where’s this legendary man management (given people seem to give him an out tactics)?

And you talk of standards that apply to everyone, do you think that’s the case? Do you think Voss has favourites and backs guys in irrespective of form, much like he does his gameplan?

We’re cooked. Voss isn’t the only one that needs to go, but he’s the first.

Start "walking the walk vossy".

First move some deckchairs with your assistants. Hamill forwards coach and Russell defence coach. Both are failing in their present roles.

Drop players like Docherty because for all his experience he brings little. Running around getting pissy possessions but doing zilch in heat moments.


Dropping Hewett last year smelt of dishonesty and you tore the fabric.

Gotta be some truth in the headline from today's Age newspaper .....

The target is on Voss’ back in part because his players can’t hit them

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i am hopeless in grading player values into draft picks. many here would be much better, like cru or doc or BV.

but, if tigers got pick six and 23 for rioli. i'd love to think if we got a third team involved harry would net us 3 top 30 picks, and cripps a late 1st round and another pick before round 3.

so, 5 top 50 picks for those two players? i could be totally off my face here, but.

thinking about voss today.

one of the big damning points for him. last season we were the worst defensive stoppage team in the afl. and this year we're well on our way to go back-to-back.

when coaches don't improve deficiencies - over seasons, not weeks mind, what is the outcome?

So - lets compare the list of the prelim final blues under Voss to where we are at today....

Thats right there is basically zero difference - especially if u consider our "core players" - Cripps, Cerra, Hewitt, Saad, Gov, Williams, Harry, Charlie, Weiters, JSOS.... maybe a couple of others....

Cast your minds back to that season. We were playing awesome footy under the same Coach and basically the same game plan.

Whats happened with the mindset, attitude, execution.... etc from the SAME list?

I would contend that is NOT on Voss. Do we really think he coaches them to drop their collective attitude in EVERY second half of every game this season to drop their bundle and play with a meek mindset? Of course he hasnt...

Fast forward to season 2025. Nothing much has changed , including the "game plan" (noting a few tweaks here and there). The exceptions being some horrible/questionable list changes with the trading of Owies (rather than say Motlop), and lets not forget, Owies was in our top few goal scorers when he was in the team. Where was Motlop in that??? Then Kennedy too, sure, maybe warranted, but flower me - with what we have in the "cupboard" list depth wise, in mid/small forward options, its not a stretch to say that was at the least a questionable decision.

Then we went into last years draft and rolled the dice with what we gave up to get Jagga. I didn't then, nor do I now regret that call. The ACL that cursed him and the club, was something no-one could have seen coming.

Overall over the last five years - probably longer - Its flowering incompetent list management which is at the core of where we sit today, and I have only listed a couple of examples, that put us in a bind to actively make an impact on field, regardless of whatever coach / game plan that might be initiated.

BUT, AFL business, the club history etc, being what it is, you can almost guarantee, that once again this club will hang Voss. Some people have said to forget this idea that Voss should have or needs a decent set of assistant coaches at his disposal, but more importantly consider the idea that a senior assistant should be appointed to help or at the very least be considered. I call that naivety.

All or some of the current "assistants" positions we have should be reviewed and/or removed.

Sacking Vossy, wont change anything. The core issues that are present in this club are much, much, much deeper than that. For once it might be nice that our club actually considers and makes reasonable, accountable, and practical changes. Not just the knee jerk shit that is in the legacy of this clubs history over the last 30 years or so....

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In 2023 they thought they had the list to go forward
They traded in Elijah got Orazio went to draft picked up Moir and Wilson added Monohan

They thought a few injured players would return so they had eye on the future and thought they had the list

In 2024 it started to turn to shit and they blamed injury for the poor season so they sacked Russell then proceeded to delist players that were injured.
This seemed like a sensible strategy then it got bizarre. They got rid of Kennedy Owies and Carroll and seemed transfixed on moving up the draft.
So basically they assumed injury was the problem and did nothing to strengthen their playing list for the now. It seemed like they thought they were good enough and could allow players who have been on the list for 2 to 3 to develop in the reserves.

On paper it made sense.

Then exit stage left Newman and Cincotta and it all became about Jagga. Pinning improvement on a skinny 18 year old who then exited.

You need to add experienced quality players every year. no one just goes to the draft.
Prior to the last 2 years we had been doing that.
Acres Cerra Hewett Newman Saad.

But in the last 2 a unproven 2nd year player with drug issues and knee issues and Orazio who struggled to get fit for 4 seasons.
Then this year Haynes who's best is behind backed up by losing depth players.

It had disaster written all over it and I pointed this out back in November.

Now if a football nuff nuff like myself could see it why couldn't the club.

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Syd Blue - Yep agree 100%. Like I said the recent and past list management decisions are well inexplicable, diabolical and totally incompetent. Again - thats on Austin - not Voss.

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