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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:39 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
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We are far from our best and the round 1 loss hurt many but I tell you IF the UMPIRES were fairer - we could have WON this game.


Fkn oath

Simple as that.

Forget weather, bad kicking, injury and playing underdone players, we would have won if Umpires were fair, and they were not.


I don't usually think it's worth blaming the umpires — but jezz' THAT game was BAD umpiring from a Blues perspective and gift from the gods from Tigers POV.

I hope it's the low tide mark for this season, b/c we're not good enough to beat the umpires and the opposition each week.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:46 pm 
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There doesn't seem to be any resiliance with this club - it seems to drop its collective bundle in "line in the sand" moments.

Back in 2012 when we were "flag favourites" and flying we were overun and smashed by the drug fuelled Essendon*** side in Round 4 and really never recovered.

Sitting pretty in 2024 - second on the ladder - we fold like a cheap tent agains GWS and meekly give our season away.

No backbone - until we can consistently produce and become a resiliant ruthless side where teams know they will more than just have to turn up to beat us we are going no where.

Geelong may not have won a flag between 2011 and 2022 - but every side in the AFL knew that they had to be on their best for four quarters if they were ever a chance to beat them - not just walk up behind them and say "boo" like any other side in the AFL know that they can do to us.


I agree with this Agro and I think the problem is we don't bring players in that can address this issue.
We have a group of players that fold under pressure we continually go to the draft and new draftees pick up the same bad habits as the players that are there. We need a Hodge like player or 2 that can change this mentality.
Someone who has been there before know what it takes and can take that leadership out on the field


Players like Hodge are a rarity! Cripps in a decent side would appear to all to be a player from the Hodge category, I suspect. We'll probably never know how good Cripps could have been in a Lions 2024 like side.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 6:51 pm 
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deano35 wrote:
So Micheal, did you know Charlie spent 58% of his time last Thursday night in the defensive half of the ground?

Micheal " That's a good stat, I wasn't aware of that"

Tell us your not a coach without telling us your not an AFL coach.


Voss knew Charlie played much of his minutes up the ground and said as much. He also knew something we don't, exactly how underdone Charlie was and why he was playing up the ground (because he was underdone and taking a KPD away from our infamous "drop zone" inside the F50). What he didn't know was the exact stat, minutes F vs Min D. Big flowering deal.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 7:05 pm 
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Who would be interested in the job?

Anyone......?

Not sure that we will get any better candidates than vossy.


What nonsense. Who wouldn't want the chance to turn us around the way Richmond did?


Richmond made massive cultural changes to begin with, board level down. This was a club whose supporters regularly spat at players going down the race. Whining whinges for decades. At least we are not that. The did a lot to turn that around from a yearly "board room coup" type club with badly behaved board, execs, players and supporters to a club that embraced "family values", hard work over talent, and didn't tolerate rubbish from their supporters (even if they tolerated it from a few elite players from time to time). I dont have anything to do with the club administration so I only know what I read online, about millionaires nephews on the board for no reason other than nepotism etc etc. Hopefully Cook was brought in to end all that, Paddy seems like the real deal, not sure why she wasn't made (or perhaps didn't want) to take a greater leadership role when Sawyer was outed.

I think they also go lucky with the AFL changing the rules of the game a lot and Harwick and his team were smart enough to devise a game style and recruit a list that would play on at all costs. they never got pinged for holding the ball in their forward half while the oppo mids and defenders would get pinged for same all the time in the Richmond forward half. The AFL wanted to get flooding and deep zoning out of the game and Richmond had the list and tactics to exploit the rule changes and interpretations by the umpires to deliver the style of football the AFL wanted to see on the TV screens. to bad about players and lists that couldn't adapt or who suited tight contested footy games with lots of in an under. They also had a list capable of winning flags, clearly, but I don't rate them against the Lions 2024 list when you compare the two teams — player for player Lions bat way deeper, IMHO.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:43 am 
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diesel95 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
There doesn't seem to be any resiliance with this club - it seems to drop its collective bundle in "line in the sand" moments.

Back in 2012 when we were "flag favourites" and flying we were overun and smashed by the drug fuelled Essendon**** side in Round 4 and really never recovered.

Sitting pretty in 2024 - second on the ladder - we fold like a cheap tent agains GWS and meekly give our season away.

No backbone - until we can consistently produce and become a resiliant ruthless side where teams know they will more than just have to turn up to beat us we are going no where.

Geelong may not have won a flag between 2011 and 2022 - but every side in the AFL knew that they had to be on their best for four quarters if they were ever a chance to beat them - not just walk up behind them and say "boo" like any other side in the AFL know that they can do to us.


I agree with this Agro and I think the problem is we don't bring players in that can address this issue.
We have a group of players that fold under pressure we continually go to the draft and new draftees pick up the same bad habits as the players that are there. We need a Hodge like player or 2 that can change this mentality.
Someone who has been there before know what it takes and can take that leadership out on the field


Players like Hodge are a rarity! Cripps in a decent side would appear to all to be a player from the Hodge category, I suspect. We'll probably never know how good Cripps could have been in a Lions 2024 like side.
Darling Parker and Daniel all 3 premiership players all now playing for North

Gunston Bruest and Barass

They are there you just need to go look for them

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 3:27 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
diesel95 wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
AGRO wrote:
There doesn't seem to be any resiliance with this club - it seems to drop its collective bundle in "line in the sand" moments.

Back in 2012 when we were "flag favourites" and flying we were overun and smashed by the drug fuelled Essendon***** side in Round 4 and really never recovered.

Sitting pretty in 2024 - second on the ladder - we fold like a cheap tent agains GWS and meekly give our season away.

No backbone - until we can consistently produce and become a resiliant ruthless side where teams know they will more than just have to turn up to beat us we are going no where.

Geelong may not have won a flag between 2011 and 2022 - but every side in the AFL knew that they had to be on their best for four quarters if they were ever a chance to beat them - not just walk up behind them and say "boo" like any other side in the AFL know that they can do to us.


I agree with this Agro and I think the problem is we don't bring players in that can address this issue.
We have a group of players that fold under pressure we continually go to the draft and new draftees pick up the same bad habits as the players that are there. We need a Hodge like player or 2 that can change this mentality.
Someone who has been there before know what it takes and can take that leadership out on the field


Players like Hodge are a rarity! Cripps in a decent side would appear to all to be a player from the Hodge category, I suspect. We'll probably never know how good Cripps could have been in a Lions 2024 like side.
Darling Parker and Daniel all 3 premiership players all now playing for North

Gunston Bruest and Barass

They are there you just need to go look for them

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I don’t disagree about the leadership side of this but I’m not sure playing in a premiership should come into it Syd…

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:02 am 
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Another great account to follow:

https://x.com/JamesIves17/status/1907206398527807945

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One of the interesting small sample size insights from the season so far is Carlton’s ability to generate front half intercepts (ranked 1st) and inability to score from them (ranked 17th).

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 9:41 am 
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Effes wrote:
Another great account to follow:

https://x.com/JamesIves17/status/1907206398527807945

James Ives
@JamesIves17
One of the interesting small sample size insights from the season so far is Carlton’s ability to generate front half intercepts (ranked 1st) and inability to score from them (ranked 17th).



Further proof confirming we have most parts of our game sorted.

Just need to sharpen the sword with forward connection and conversion...and.....fix scores from stoppages.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:32 pm 
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I'd sack him at 3QT honestly, and I've defended him for longer than most. The players are cauliflower and don't deserve to be let off the hook, but the fact is they've downed tools and for me this season is solely about not giving @#$%&! Hawthorn picks @#$%&! 1 and 19. Do what it takes to scrap any wins we can, then gut the list and find some @#$%&! MEN.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:32 pm 
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4 years on and has sent us backwards to soft no game plan


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:37 pm 
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@#$%&! you were a good player

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:40 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:41 pm 
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The players are confused as @#$%&!... it's what happens when you try and change the game plan on the run

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:42 pm 
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Carlton..........Killing coaches for 25 years!
Maybe we need a commemorative jumper.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:43 pm 
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Show me where Vossy’s game plan says you should go into every contest like you’ve just had your nails painted.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:48 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Show me where Vossy’s game plan says you should go into every contest like you’ve just had your nails painted.


Show me his game plan


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:49 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Show me where Vossy’s game plan says you should go into every contest like you’ve just had your nails painted.

This has to be player driven, we've seen this before, many times.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 8:49 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
The players are confused as @#$%&!... it's what happens when you try and change the game plan on the run


It’s just not game plan

Way deeper than that

Lost our way early this century and haven’t recovered since

Continually make poor decisions about recruiting, coaching appointments, game plans etc

May not agree but the writing on the wall was when Teague was sacked

Didn’t make the hard decisions re appointing Kingsley and implementing a mini rebuild. Our lists over many years are always too top heavy and reliance on a few.

2023 was great but we were fortunate to go that far. I am afraid we are years away from that now.


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