exactly. charlie can’t play a lone tall role up forward without being tripled out of everything that comes into the F 50.

i’d consider H to CHB for parts of games occasionally but it’s not gonna work for a season, he’s too valuable up forward, especially in the first and fourth quarters.


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you left out Crippa at CHF and Weiters at FF.




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yeah if it’s 2 forward 1 back for elite talls vs 2 back and one forward, given our midfield inability to defend atm, you make a good point.

Harry is a much better KPF than Lobb of today though. he’s up the top of the Colman for a reason. consistency and accuracy.


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i think that was true in the past but not for the last 24 weeks.


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Enjoying the rational discussion going on here. I agree that some sort of change is needed. I remember when Cinq took a few players to the cleaners and it surprised the opposition for a while. I suppose the question is do we go with our traditional line up pre finals (on the big assumption we still make it) and then spring surprises in the finals. Don't know the answer.

You're watching a different player to me. Harry is a poor field kick IMHO. A poor kick is the last thing our defence needs. His strength is his endurance, speed and contested marking. Leave him where he does his best work.
I don't understand the negativity towards our forward line. We're the highest scoring team in the AFL, despite being 9th for inside 50's, we're second in the league for creating scores from our forward half and we're 3rd in the AFL for inside 50 tackles. So the forward line is our one strength IMO. Get some players who can actually kick the ball half decent to our forwards and they'd be unstoppable.

When our midfield get's up and going, we're a serious football side with the strength forward of centre. You don't throw that away with hail mary's this late in the season.
You don't take away something that is working to fix something that isn't. You end up with problems on both lines. Get our midfield to defend properly, sort out our abysmal defensive 50 stoppages (stoppage and defensive coaches!) and our defence will get by.

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it's not so much, there's negativity towards the forwardline ... it's about how bad the defense is and exiting it has become.

some of harry's long field kicking this year has been elite. imo he's at his best wheeling and going 50+, no time to think about set shots and all that. at chb i could imagine him kicking through to the F50 arc where martin or williams could be 1-on-1 and charlie too. before they get a chance to sag off & double charlie.


the other thing... i think we're going to be without cerra until next season. that midfield is taking a big hit without him. walsh is so far down on form (and maybe health) kennedy, cripps and hewett is slow. so slow.

maybe H to CHB and we're suddenly more balanced across every line across the park, and not relying on our mids to dominate theirs.


we're at the stage, this sunday Vs the hawks, if we lose we're just about done. if you don't throw a hail mary right now ... you never do.


but none of that fixes the biggest problem we have. F50 entry. 2 of the worst 5 mids in the game at delivering F50 efficiency are on the blues. kennedy and i forget the other. maybe it was walsh?

elijah, orazio and newman need to get forward. they're maybe our best at delivering it?

Yep. Walsh is in the lowest 5 ranked inside 50 kicks. Our midfield needs something different. Hewitt is a goer but he disposal is third rate.
I'm not sure if Lord deserves a go. I haven't watched a lot of him but we need a point of difference in the middle. Can Lord kick the ball more than 50m because apart from Kennedy, our mids lack penetration and class. That's why I'm keen to see Saad or similar get a run in the middle. Look at the difference fast feet like Papley, Brent Daniels etc make when they're around the ball. Our mids exit stoppage sideways because they don't have the pace to straighten up like opposition mids do against us.

Use something that's not working to try change. Saad isn't at his best at the moment in defence. Throw something different at the opposition. Get some offensive/defensive dynamic movement around the ball.

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Get Elijah and Williams more through the midfield. That will sharpen us up.

1000% we need a point of difference. i saw in the twos they were running motlop out of the centre. not sure how that went? i remember when we bought saad, it was with the promise of getting him up the ground and running thru the middle more. maybe he's the one!


with cerra out, we need someone with a bit of squirt, or someone who can arrow a foot pass 40-50m and flat. or capable of both, would be ideal

Elijah spent a few weeks as a starting midfielder. His defensive skills weren't up to it.

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one thing for sure. this weekend, it's time to find the killer instinct.

end the hawks season, be ruthless about it, and go on a run.

Yep. I haven't lost hope. It was our conversion that cost us Saturday IMHO. Our effort was very good.
I believe there's still a good chance we'll still finish top 4. We're one game out and 4 of the top 6 play each other this week.

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hope you're right. top 4 would be a dream. find some form, grab a home final at some point for a prelim.

I can't dispute the stats but by my observations:
1. forwards congregate in the same area
2. As a consequence, forwards don't spread defence
3. Defenders take the ground ball too easily out of our F50 after kicking to contest
4. Forwards constantly flying for the same mark
5. Small forwards rarely "crumb"
6. H and Curnow rarely try to tap ball to advantage of small forwards when they know they can't mark
7. Curnow and too a lesser extend H don't lead as often as they should (yes, i get that what happens up the field may contribute)
8. Curnow is either dumb or lazy with his constant need to wrestle rather than use his athleticism
9. Rarely see small forwards lead

Having said all of that, i agree 100% that our mid-fwd transition is abysmal, poor decision making, poor executiion, no lowering of eyes, no smarts to realise that some leads are dummy leads

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Conversion and/or wasting opportunities inside F50 is also a function of dumb football up the field (too slow to react, poor execution decision making, fwds not providing a clear option, putting team mate under more pressure etc.)

To me, conversion is also impacted by fluidity up the field

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Yes if we win our remaining 3 matches then top 4 a good chance - probably decided by a couple of percentage points.

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I thought he was very good.

…at being unaccountable