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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:48 pm 
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Surely Swans are pretenders too? On a worse 5 game run than us, beaten far more easily this weekend by a lower ranked side.
They have Port in Adelaide next week I think Port might get them.
Next week's round of matches is going to be a nightmare to pick.
Dogs should beat Melbourne but only because it is at Marvel if at the G different story
Eagles v Sun's flip a coin as Sun's don't travel well
North v Richmond toss a coin
Cats should beat Crows but they have been stinking it up at home
Port v Swans flip a coin
Collingwood v Carlton depends on which Carlton turns up
Giants v Hawks in Canberra flip a coin
Essendon* v Freo. Freo should win but are a different story when they travel
Saints v Brisbane at Marvel. Saints playing 8 of their last nine games at Marvel this will be their 5th match in last 6 games there only loss there to Port by 2 points.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:10 pm 
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Carlton by 114 but as for the rest I'm as stumped as you are


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:30 pm 
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We need some of those top 8 sides to play each other so we can Slow down our decline the Ladder :(


If we lose to the Pies, All hell will break loose. They need to respond.


Its no Secret that our entire midfield Group are playing Injured.

Cerra- playing injured
Walsh- Playing injured
Cripps: Playing Injured
Acres- Playing injured
Cottrell- never been himself since back from injury


This means that guys like Hewett and Kennedy needs to play more minutes in the middle and reduce the Load on the rest.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:53 am 
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It's news to me that Cripps and cerra are playing injured! What's their injuries?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 7:14 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.

Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.



it's true. the last time our pressure was over 200 was the cats. we had a qtr and a half of 200 ball against the tigers. and not surprisingly we won by 10 goals, both games.


pittonet and cripps were a huge let down V port. i thought pittonet would come out breathing fire. instead he laid a giant egg. cripps seems more distracted by brownlow votes, then getting this ship righted.

the player's themselves don't look hungry like they did out of the bye, V the cats. they're jogging around, pointing fingers for someone else to go. cripps called them into the rooms after the dogs game and kicked all the coaches out and talked to the players.

there's been no response so far. if it isn't this weekend, you have think it's not ever.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 8:44 am 
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Dare I say it, are we missing Fantasia? A vocal on-field leader by all accounts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:00 am 
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Last year we got on a roll
Our footy brand was contested ball and pressure
You can only sustain that for so long

To me you can bang on about Young and Kemp etc the bottom line is it’s a team defence thing
When the ball gets out in the open we are toast at the moment
If we lose the clearances or we win it and it’s ineffectual we are getting smashed in open space
I think we give up score more than 13 other teams
You can’t win a flag with poor team defence

Things were looking good 6 weeks ago . We picked up on areas we struggled in 2023 but with a few key injuries and guys banged up
And out of form we have been exposed
Our one wood which is bruised contested footy is still ok but not enough to cover up our deficiency on the outside

Unlike some teams there is a reluctance to move the magnets around
With so much damage being done outside the contest and clearance why not play Saad as an outside mid
Look at what Ed Richards has added at the Dogs
Clearly Binns deserves a game or two and he is a runner

I think we can beat Collingwood
They were average yesterday
If Cincotta keeps Daicos to 25 we should win

Hawthorn is a completely different proposition
Anyway time will tell but Voss needs to change things up to reduce damage done by opposition on the outside


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:11 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.

Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.


Not often I say this but I agree with most of this except the part about Young - Adam Saad our smallest player on the list at 178cm would be a better match up on Cox than Young - At least he is not scared of body contact

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:31 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.

Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.


Not often I say this but I agree with most of this except the part about Young - Adam Saad our smallest player on the list at 178cm would be a better match up on Cox than Young - At least he is not scared of body contact

Yes I agree with BV's post however would much prefer Marchbank instead of Young. Also I think Carroll needs to be replaced.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:45 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.

Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.


Agree

All the things we go on about, particularly the need for a second KPD etc etc are significantly mitigated if we provide intensity AT THE SOURCE

Our mids and small fwds need to shoulder 90% of the blame for our drop off in form

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 9:52 am 
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keogh wrote:
Last year we got on a roll
Our footy brand was contested ball and pressure
You can only sustain that for so long

To me you can bang on about Young and Kemp etc the bottom line is it’s a team defence thing
When the ball gets out in the open we are toast at the moment
If we lose the clearances or we win it and it’s ineffectual we are getting smashed in open space
I think we give up score more than 13 other teams
You can’t win a flag with poor team defence

Things were looking good 6 weeks ago . We picked up on areas we struggled in 2023 but with a few key injuries and guys banged up
And out of form we have been exposed
Our one wood which is bruised contested footy is still ok but not enough to cover up our deficiency on the outside

Unlike some teams there is a reluctance to move the magnets around
With so much damage being done outside the contest and clearance why not play Saad as an outside mid
Look at what Ed Richards has added at the Dogs
Clearly Binns deserves a game or two and he is a runner

I think we can beat Collingwood
They were average yesterday
If Cincotta keeps Daicos to 25 we should win

Hawthorn is a completely different proposition
Anyway time will tell but Voss needs to change things up to reduce damage done by opposition on the outside


Could not agree any more with you Keogh regarding Team Defence

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:23 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.


Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.


Great post.

Need to change/fix our mindset and bring the heat.

Agree on Kemp, been a major liability sadly.

Tough on Cripps but agree on calling for handballs when he shouldn’t be.

I noticed Cripps was at Charlie’s over the weekend. If not a full camp Curnow, I hope the leaders at least met, looked each other in the eye, vowed to get back to our best and not piss this opportunity away.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:31 am 
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Remember just two months ago vs. Melbourne when Gov, Kemp, Olli and Martin came back into the team, and we held Melbourne scoreless until the 10 minute mark of Q2. I don't think I've seen a better team defensive performance; we applied pressure to every D50 entry and our defenders (particularly Weiters and Gov) read every one like a book, just intercepting for fun. We have the personnel and sometimes we have the plan, really hope the current slump is all about conditioning and we're set for another block of top fitness.


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GreatEx wrote:
Remember just two months ago vs. Melbourne when Gov, Kemp, Olli and Martin came back into the team, and we held Melbourne scoreless until the 10 minute mark of Q2. I don't think I've seen a better team defensive performance; we applied pressure to every D50 entry and our defenders (particularly Weiters and Gov) read every one like a book, just intercepting for fun. We have the personnel and sometimes we have the plan, really hope the current slump is all about conditioning and we're set for another block of top fitness.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 10:49 am 
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where's all this thought coming that we're in a fitness block? or going thru some conditioning stint?


i hope that's the case. that's so much better than we're running out of gas and are goneski.


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Braithy wrote:
where's all this thought coming that we're in a fitness block? or going thru some conditioning stint?


i hope that's the case. that's so much better than we're running out of gas and are goneski.

Apparently Russell himself confirmed it on radio recently

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jezzarules wrote:
Braithy wrote:
where's all this thought coming that we're in a fitness block? or going thru some conditioning stint?


i hope that's the case. that's so much better than we're running out of gas and are goneski.

Apparently Russell himself confirmed it on radio recently



well ... i guess that's good news if it's true? i mean, we're not totally cooked, if that's the case.

throwing away 2nd place on the ladder and 2 home finals was the price of admission. lose this weekend, and suddenly finals aren't even a sure thing. hope they know what they're doing.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:15 am 
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tasboy wrote:
3 weeks ago the dogs were pretenders and no chance of finals. Now flag contenders
Swans have lost 4 in 5. Gone?
Port fans boo their coach yet they are top 4 fancies
Hawks were in the wooden spoon chat room, now form team of the comp
Essendon** were good, now they are not good. Thank goodness


We got complacent and lost to GWS because we got ahead of ourself.
Dogs are now the team to beat, we were close.
Port have won 90% of marvel games and Friday night games, and we turned up with 2 massive key position outs and a third player who goes unheralded, and we dominated until we ran out of puff after a short day break (following a hard hitting game). 5 minutes to go and we were lining up for the lead.
We are close enough if good enough.

Lost to the pies and the turmoil is real.
Win and we are on track.
Flog them and we are the real deal.

Is this the definition of line in the sand?


This is the line in the sand game Tasboy.

Win this well and we will have shed some light on the 5 day break and its impact on last week's 2nd half.

Lose it, and that leaves us with a dint in our confidence, and can't afford to lose another game to make Finals.
Sound familiar?

WE went into our shell in the 2nd half last game. In preservation mode. That is not our game.
Our game is the one we displayed in the First half.

Harry at CHF is vital for us. He's part of the spine SOS built.
Losing Harry, TDK and Jones from the spine leaves us vulnerable.
WE can cover the one ruck with Pitto but we can't cover the hole Harry leaves.

Harry is back this week, and the boys will have had an 8 day break to recover properly.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:15 am 
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Pitto's lack of intensity may have something to do with the fact that there is no one who is going to oust him from the team while TDK is banged up and recovering.


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