Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Sun May 04, 2025 2:43 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 265 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 14  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 4:53 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:40 pm
Posts: 7148
SurreyBlue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Young is the scapegoat this game whether he plays or not... Kemp second favorite... lol

Meanwhile I'm more worried about N. Faicos breaking the all time possessions world record

Our biggest issue is the midfield... not just clearances but the lack of team defence when we don't have the ball... it's embarrassing how easy we get carved up between the arcs.


:thumbsup:


Yes , Young is an easy out . Between the arcs and around stoppages as you point out is number one problem glaringly so . Walsh MUST go to the wing for mine to provide that connection that we badly miss . After all , Acres can't do it all .

_________________
All my dangerous friends


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:07 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:41 pm
Posts: 4623
Braithy wrote:
Hornet wrote:
... it's embarrassing how easy we get carved up between the arcs.



it is. and for it to round 20, and it's been happening all season long with no improvement, is the most worrisome aspect.

dead last in scores allowed from stoppage and metres given up from stoppage.


that just isn't any kind of flag credentials.
Our team defence is a HUGE worry.... The second KPF is more of a worry due to the delivery by the midfield (and just not enough pressure)..

The last few weeks it seems our opponent has been delivering to 30 metres out directly in front while we're trying to kick them from the boundary and outside 50 (I know that's not exactly true but without looking at the stats I'm guessing the opposition is getting better marks inside 50 and shots from better positions than us).

Boyd back in... Kemp playing back, McGovern back, Newman and Weiters is a good enough defence IF the ball isn't served up on a platter

Go Blues

_________________
“Every single element of the Club has to be the best in the league, meticulously and methodically, and only by doing this will we be elite and challenge for number 17.”
Greg Lee


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:27 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 24662
Location: Bondi Beach
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Young is the scapegoat this game whether he plays or not... Kemp second favorite... lol

Meanwhile I'm more worried about N. Faicos breaking the all time possessions world record

Our biggest issue is the midfield... not just clearances but the lack of team defence when we don't have the ball... it's embarrassing how easy we get carved up between the arcs.


:thumbsup:


Yes , Young is an easy out . Between the arcs and around stoppages as you point out is number one problem glaringly so . Walsh MUST go to the wing for mine to provide that connection that we badly miss . After all , Acres can't do it all .


Walsh to the wing or whatever he was foing from HF when he won his AA Blazer.

Centreline: Acres Cripps Walsh

Like. Very much.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:33 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Thu Feb 02, 2006 11:03 am
Posts: 24662
Location: Bondi Beach
billc3 wrote:
Braithy wrote:
Hornet wrote:
... it's embarrassing how easy we get carved up between the arcs.



it is. and for it to round 20, and it's been happening all season long with no improvement, is the most worrisome aspect.

dead last in scores allowed from stoppage and metres given up from stoppage.


that just isn't any kind of flag credentials.
Our team defence is a HUGE worry.... The second KPF is more of a worry due to the delivery by the midfield (and just not enough pressure)..

The last few weeks it seems our opponent has been delivering to 30 metres out directly in front while we're trying to kick them from the boundary and outside 50 (I know that's not exactly true but without looking at the stats I'm guessing the opposition is getting better marks inside 50 and shots from better positions than us).

Boyd back in... Kemp playing back, McGovern back, Newman and Weiters is a good enough defence IF the ball isn't served up on a platter

Go Blues


Too right.

2nd KPF is a huge hole imo, but we have to cover that, and the only way is with midfielder defensive support.

Marchbank Kemp McGovern are intercept marks, 3rd talls. They can work cohesively within a team defence, and that includes mids and wings.
Young is the only other KPD. Cox and Cameron are tall. Interesting to see which way Vossy goes.

_________________
Everyone looks good in Navy Blue


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:05 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:02 pm
Posts: 13148
Location: Melbourne
Traveller86 wrote:
It’s only Sunday and I’m already a wreck. I just can’t see us snapping out of our rut. These pricks are relishing destroying our season again.
I feel almost as bad as I did before Rd23 2022.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:16 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2021 12:58 pm
Posts: 1919
Unfortunately I can see us shitting the bed next week, getting trounced against the hawks, scraping by the Eagles and coming down to the last game vs the Saints and Ross Lyon ensuring we fall into their trap and sliding out again.

Prove me wrong, Blues.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:38 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:17 am
Posts: 35135
Traveller86 wrote:
Unfortunately I can see us shitting the bed next week, getting trounced against the hawks, scraping by the Eagles and coming down to the last game vs the Saints and Ross Lyon ensuring we fall into their trap and sliding out again.

Prove me wrong, Blues.
On the bright side, this could be the season where someone placed 7 or 8 wins the flag.

_________________
"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 6:41 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 9:02 pm
Posts: 13148
Location: Melbourne
Traveller86 wrote:
Unfortunately I can see us shitting the bed next week, getting trounced against the hawks, scraping by the Eagles and coming down to the last game vs the Saints and Ross Lyon ensuring we fall into their trap and sliding out again.

Prove me wrong, Blues.
Saints will probably sakc Ross before the game too.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:07 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:42 pm
Posts: 2764
Location: dudley!!!
Traveller86 wrote:
It’s only Sunday and I’m already a wreck. I just can’t see us snapping out of our rut. These pricks are relishing destroying our season again.


me too. i'm flying out to mexico on thursday so i'll miss this game and the next - i should be looking forward to the trip, but i'm too worried about the footy....

this bloody club affects my head way too much.... i was hoping to go away with finals secured, but now i'll have to avoid all media while i'm there to keep my anxiety at bay...

_________________
my last one was rubbish


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:08 pm 
Offline
Horrie Clover

Joined: Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:16 pm
Posts: 352
3 weeks ago the dogs were pretenders and no chance of finals. Now flag contenders
Swans have lost 4 in 5. Gone?
Port fans boo their coach yet they are top 4 fancies
Hawks were in the wooden spoon chat room, now form team of the comp
Essendon* were good, now they are not good. Thank goodness


We got complacent and lost to GWS because we got ahead of ourself.
Dogs are now the team to beat, we were close.
Port have won 90% of marvel games and Friday night games, and we turned up with 2 massive key position outs and a third player who goes unheralded, and we dominated until we ran out of puff after a short day break (following a hard hitting game). 5 minutes to go and we were lining up for the lead.
We are close enough if good enough.

Lost to the pies and the turmoil is real.
Win and we are on track.
Flog them and we are the real deal.

Is this the definition of line in the sand?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:19 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm
Posts: 6886
tasboy wrote:
3 weeks ago the dogs were pretenders and no chance of finals. Now flag contenders
Swans have lost 4 in 5. Gone?
Port fans boo their coach yet they are top 4 fancies
Hawks were in the wooden spoon chat room, now form team of the comp
Essendon** were good, now they are not good. Thank goodness


We got complacent and lost to GWS because we got ahead of ourself.
Dogs are now the team to beat, we were close.
Port have won 90% of marvel games and Friday night games, and we turned up with 2 massive key position outs and a third player who goes unheralded, and we dominated until we ran out of puff after a short day break (following a hard hitting game). 5 minutes to go and we were lining up for the lead.
We are close enough if good enough.

Lost to the pies and the turmoil is real.
Win and we are on track.
Flog them and we are the real deal.

Is this the definition of line in the sand?



i believe so mate. it's as close to do or die as it gets really. and it's against them.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:43 pm 
Offline
Mike Fitzpatrick

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 5:28 pm
Posts: 4907
The 8 day break plus McKay and Acres replacing Young and Carroll will make a big difference.
I think our boys will be glad to get away from Marvel and return to the MCG.

_________________
There is no footy god


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:45 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm
Posts: 3560
Braithy wrote:
tasboy wrote:
3 weeks ago the dogs were pretenders and no chance of finals. Now flag contenders
Swans have lost 4 in 5. Gone?
Port fans boo their coach yet they are top 4 fancies
Hawks were in the wooden spoon chat room, now form team of the comp
Essendon*** were good, now they are not good. Thank goodness


We got complacent and lost to GWS because we got ahead of ourself.
Dogs are now the team to beat, we were close.
Port have won 90% of marvel games and Friday night games, and we turned up with 2 massive key position outs and a third player who goes unheralded, and we dominated until we ran out of puff after a short day break (following a hard hitting game). 5 minutes to go and we were lining up for the lead.
We are close enough if good enough.

Lost to the pies and the turmoil is real.
Win and we are on track.
Flog them and we are the real deal.

Is this the definition of line in the sand?



i believe so mate. it's as close to do or die as it gets really. and it's against them.


IF we beat the Pies, I really believe we win the last 3 after that
It will not just be the line in the sand but the elixer that will have us running over the top of the ground
Our mindset will change

BIG IF...

_________________
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:58 pm 
Offline
Alex Jesaulenko

Joined: Sat May 14, 2005 2:15 pm
Posts: 21382
Location: North of the border
jezzarules wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
No 1 contributor to the loss

Bigger contributions to the loss
-, Midfield not being able to get clearance (despite often having in their hands)
- tackles - need to stick more
- need more run & carry. We often kick too soon or if trying to handball chain we do too many (usually giving back to the guy who was hot)
- F50 entries (always an issue) bombing long instead of spotting up players. If Charlie is double teamed we should have loose guys elsewhere and should have a tactic to play through whoever's opponent is zoning off.
- Q1 we went helter skelter and earned plenty of chances but needed to cool the jets for finishing off ( which we did in Q2)
- Kemp I like but he dropped a bunch of marks where he'd done well to compete but the ball consistently spilled to them close to goal
- Speaking of Kemp, playing him undersized (again) on Esava does us no favours. Should have been switched with Young from the start.
- Ollie I lost count of his direct turnovers
- We are playing a territory game which partly explains the bombing long etc but this relies on pressure applied to keep it in and hold the territory. If we can't apply pressure we need to revert to possession game but we're not good at that so we need the pressure.
Do you actually watch Young play.
If you start the game 1 man down you never recover.
There is a reason Weiters does not want him down back.
He is the ultimate Chicken little.
I nearly fell off the chair when he took a contested mark on the wing without ducking his head.
When he ran forward with the centre clearance he was so afraid of body contact he just coughed the ball up.
Had an eternity to find an option on the wing /hf and completely froze.

We lost by 14 points he cost us at least 30

Sent from my SM-F926B using Tapatalk

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 8:07 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence

Joined: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:24 pm
Posts: 1340
Mickstar wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Young is the scapegoat this game whether he plays or not... Kemp second favorite... lol

Meanwhile I'm more worried about N. Faicos breaking the all time possessions world record

Our biggest issue is the midfield... not just clearances but the lack of team defence when we don't have the ball... it's embarrassing how easy we get carved up between the arcs.


:thumbsup:


Yes , Young is an easy out . Between the arcs and around stoppages as you point out is number one problem glaringly so . Walsh MUST go to the wing for mine to provide that connection that we badly miss . After all , Acres can't do it all .


I have been saying this for a while. We lack width and the outskirts of the contest is a huge problem (very evident in the Port and Western Bulldogs games). With his running power we will still see Walsh in the midfield but more so on the outskirts of contested situations. I don't believe Walsh had a second half fadeout due to his back but more the stuffing is getting knocked out of him. Cerra is good at preventing the easy clearance exit so let's get him back there.

And on the topic of Young lets not make him the easy scapegoat. He doesn't have a forward craft ... his mix should have been a combination of Back and Ruck. McGovern with his aerial ability would have been been able to provide better contests up forward and bring the ball to ground. I think Voss has played around with Young's confidence and he is a better player than what he is showing. I was staggered that Durdin (who has played hardly any football in 2 years) was selected ahead of Young when we played North Melbourne.

We will beat Collingwood.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:01 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 17936
I'm not overly concerned about this week at the moment. We're experts at spoiling Collingwood's party and Pendle's 400th is the perfect target.
We need to get the hunger back. It's not overly structural. It's pressure and contest. When we get our pressure around 200, most can't go with us.

I don't believe you can maintain high pressure for an extended time. Look at Sydney as well. Teams suffer a lull but the opportunity is there to go again. Some tough games coming (Hawks and Saints are flying) but the reality is, it's 6 wins to get to a grand final. 4 of those games against teams currently out of the 8.
We've shown we can go on 6-8 game runs of high intensity footy. It needs to start this week.

I'm definitely not a fan of Young but he has to play. Kemp has coughed up a shitload of goals the past month and as tough as it sounds, he has cost us games. He can't play this week. We need a tall to mind Mason Cox and Young is the best choice.

Charlie was huge. Elijah looked good on the wing rotation and I'd go with that again. But him and Ollie can jam the Hollands brothers waxing system they have going. You dispose to the best option, not the lesser option because it's your @#$%&! brother.
Ollie, Kemp and Cunners out. Harry, Acres and Martin in. Cowan to Elliott. I'd even consider Binns for Cottrell.

I know I'll cop some grief for this but Cripps has to step up as our midfield leader this week. It good to bully little blokes but when players like Dunkley and Wines go with him at centre bounces, he has to power through it. He attended 92% of the centre bounces for 1 centre clearance. As a team we had 1 centre clearance in the second half to 6. If you want the most opportunities, you need to perform or get out and give someone else a go at being top banana. 7 stoppage clearances are great but the middle of the ground is where we need him to get back his best. His job is not to run past calling for cheap handballs but to be a beast at centre bounces.
Same with Pitto, no tackles, no centre clearances. Fire the @#$%&! up.

Tough, aggressive, pressure footy. It's this teams DNA. Get it back and we're on a roll again.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:14 pm 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:06 pm
Posts: 35647
Location: Half back flank
What about Boyd BV?

Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk

_________________
#DonTheStash


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:41 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:13 pm
Posts: 1134
Location: Narre Warren VIC
Reflecting on this Week's round of footy, I can see all the Contenders for the 8th did what they need to do and got the Win, regardless of where they played or whom they came against.

Only Two Teams were exposed and rightly so should be called " Pretenders ". Carlton & Essendon*.


This week, we are playing against Pendles 400, not against the Pies. What a massive occasion and the worst possible time for us. They will play like crazy and want to win it for their Captain. Unless we get some players back, We will Lose :(


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:01 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:16 pm
Posts: 14263
Location: Sydney
Surely Swans are pretenders too? On a worse 5 game run than us, beaten far more easily this weekend by a lower ranked side.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 10:28 pm 
Offline
Harry Vallence
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:13 pm
Posts: 1134
Location: Narre Warren VIC
Dodo27 wrote:
Reflecting on this Week's round of footy, I can see all the Contenders for the 8th did what they need to do and got the Win, regardless of where they played or whom they came against.

Only Two Teams were exposed and rightly so should be called " Pretenders ". Carlton & Essendon**.


This week, we are playing against Pendles 400, not against the Pies. What a massive occasion and the worst possible time for us. They will play like crazy and want to win it for their Captain. Unless we get some players back, We will Lose :(


They have secured a top 2 Spot 6 weeks a go, they got nothing to worry about. They need to lose next 3 Games again before maybe they will lose top Spot.

Big difference between us & Them. If we lose this week, we could easily drop out of the 8th


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 265 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 ... 14  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 74 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group