We also lost a couple of players before the 2011 SF from memory?
Gibbs didn't play and someone was a late out? Got your PMs.

Interchange infringement against North
Dodgy call by goal umpire against crows

Hopefully their luck has ran out

But they have beaten us twice this year

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FWIW, the Champion Data guy agrees with BV. H just needs to ruck for 5 min a quarter. Let TDK do the rest of the work.
I'm not as convinced myself, so lets see what the selectors come up with.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/09/05/ ... g-carlton/

Hoyne says the Blues should stick with that mix, saying Tom De Koning has had an excellent six weeks in the ruck.

“I just want to put this on the agenda for Carlton supporters as well,” he said.

“His best position, the last six weeks, he is clearly a ruckman. He is not a forward.

“I would not be playing Pittonet. I would be keeping this really simple. Let this guy go.

“As a ruckman over the last six weeks he’s been the eighth best ruckman in the competition. As a forward, sixth worst forward in the competition.

“Just put Harry McKay in the ruck for five minutes per quarter. The second ruck role, we talk about it a lot, it’s 20 minutes a game. Don’t lose sleep over it.”

This is an enormous swing in two months, with Hoyne saying mid-season that Pittonet statistically was a significantly better ruckman than De Koning. The young Blue has clearly broken out since re-signing.

Exactly

They have?

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I was just about to post this.

The concept is what Farmer and BV have supported for a while.
Having said BV and Braithy have also suggested dropping Harry, and Farmer raised the question too given the wet.
You can't have it both ways, but point made.

I just can't see Vossy using Harry as a battering ram for 20 minutes of the game, whilst a fatigued TDK takes on CHF role, or FF role. Charlie will still be double teamed whilst Rampe bumps a tired TDK off his line and away they go back to the other end. Swans game is a turnover game.

Can't wait to see team selection at 6pm tomorrow.

If its one ruck, I can see the reasoning.
If its 2 rucks, I can see the reasoning.

Harry wont be dropped and that's a given.

Makes selection bloody exciting either way, coz, either way we will smash them at the coal face.

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These are my thoughts exactly. I just wish JSOS was available. That would give us the best of both worlds

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Agree with pretty much all of that. Everyone obviously entitled to their opinion, but barring injury, the chances of H not being selected is zero.
Question then is do we play Pitto, or does H ruck for 5 min a quarter as floated.
Either option carries a degree of risk. My view is having H ruck carries more risk. Some may say its only 5 min a quarter which equates to 20 min for the game. That is roughly a quarter of a game. You can easily lose a game in that period but throwing someone into a role they have never really played before or been asked to play before.
My preferred option is playing Pitto. Yes that carries risk too. Ideally, we can sub him off for a runner late in the 3rd or early in the last. Again, that carries risk cos if we cop an early injury, that plan goes out the window.
Selectors have a tough call to make here. Hope they make the right one.

Going forward - 2024 and beyond, no issue with using H as 2nd ruck for 5 or so min a quarter. However, needs to work on it over the pre season and condition his body for it. Personally, I'm not prepared to take that risk into a finals series but if match committee go that way, they clearly know more than I do.

Even better.

The two ruck has advantages but takes away from too many others. Jack would be perfect

There is reason Melbourne are playing better since dropping Grundy (and I rate Grundy). It has improved their overall structure dramatically

Hoyne doesn't tell us who his sub would be if he went in with one ruck.

Too risky to go in with one ruck. If TDK gets injured, or even Harry gets injured, with no SOS out there, who rucks and who is CHF.

Easy for Hoyne to make those suggestions, and I'm glad he isn't making the selection because imo, its still 2 rucks if one is sub for insurance.

The other thing Hoyne doesnt mention is which ruck suits our clearance game more?

Furthermore, if one ruck was named as a sub, which one would it be? Without injury, which ruck would you prefer to come on later in the game?

Too many sceanrios to consider, and Hoyne's opinion has limitations. One ruck is too risky for my Best 23.

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A few points:

1) It could be argued that Melbourne would not have won in 2021 without Luke Jackson in the team as back up ruck

2) Whilst I would love it if Collingwood lose on Thu night, I’m also afraid that if they do, Friday will be all about ‘Carlton v Collingwood’ coming up in week 2 before we have even played let alone beaten the Swans!

3) Was just listening to the Trade Bell on SEN and it occurred to me that this is the first year in a very long time where the upcoming trade period is not the most interesting part of September for me!!

4) We have had a few months to see everyone available playing at their best. This is SO much better than I can remember because, despite all of our TC selection debates, Voss & Co will be making confident decisions based on what they want and who can best deliver it. Much better than all the speculative alternatives from earlier in the year.

5) For mine, I’d put Hewett onto Parker, have Cottrell run with Gulden, and bloody well make sure that the Lizard cannot galavant down the middle of the G on his own! (But if he does, I’m not that worried because at the G he will still be in the backline and even if he gets it forward, our backline wall will stop it in its tracks!)


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I'd assume TDK goes off for his breaks.
Team needs to know maybe don't target Charlie while H is rucking

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I hope our boys can harness the expectation & pressure properly....it's been all us & very little Sydney all week. I'm sure Voss will be all over it

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If we play near our best we win

We are No1 in contested ball and score from it. Swans are No.17 and have a habit of fading badly in games. In a final in wet conditions it means a lot

The key for us is playing near our best

Sources: Marc Pittonet will make his return to the Carlton side this Friday night against Sydney. Pittonet missed the game vs GWS after battling illness in the lead up. He has been key to Carlton's clearance & stoppage dominance, leading the AFL in hitout to advantage percentage.

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I said to drop Harry?

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This week is taking FOREVER!! Can’t imagine what the players are going through

Sure IS English….

the excitement…anticipation…and nerves…
making up a pot purée of joy…!


kindest regards tommi

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