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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:27 pm 
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Highly unlikely we drop to 7th.

Lions aren't going to lose now that they need to win to hold second.

And I doubt GWS & Syd both win comfortably.

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Off topic but how the @#$%&! did McCreery get one week after Boyd got 3


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 8:35 pm 
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Because his opponent didn't get concussion from a previous incident?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:10 pm 
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Is rest Cripps, Weitering and Charlie. Give them a proper freshen up


Already a bye though.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:28 pm 
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We are at a distinct advantage playing last game of the round, and knowing exactly where we stand. If it's as we hope and 5th is set before the opening bounce, I think you'll see some late changes. Those that have been identified by others are spot on. Cripps and Doc the main ones for mind. Walsh, Cerra and McGov come in regardless.
Boyd comes in too. And I like our mobility with JSOS as the back up ruck.

Ins: Walsh Cerra McGovern JSOS Boyd
Outs: Marchy. Fisher. Pitto. Hollands. Dow. Ed.

If 5th is sown up, Dow and Fish stay in and Doc and Crippa have a rest.

A strong team at full strength, will have some unlucky players. Dow and Fish have done good jobs in the absence of first choice players. They are stiff to lose their spots, but when the whips are really cracking, I don't think their defensive games are strong enough.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:37 pm 
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Off topic but how the @#$%&! did McCreery get one week after Boyd got 3


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Because one week means he doesn't miss any finals.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:52 pm 
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TWICE….

we were down 2 deals in that last 1/4…what an
effort…!

Fishers handball to Motlop to Martin for goal…
was special…!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:25 am 
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Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:28 am 
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If games fall the way expected this weekend before we play I would definitely rest Cripps & Docherty. They need to be fresh for finals. Two weeks off will do the wonders. If there is any doubt on the Hammys of McGovern Walsh Cerra I would risk them this week either


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 9:00 am 
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If games fall the way expected this weekend before we play I would definitely rest Cripps & Docherty. They need to be fresh for finals. Two weeks off will do the wonders. If there is any doubt on the Hammys of McGovern Walsh Cerra I would risk them this week either


Agree with Cripps and Doc. They both look like they could do with the extra week off.

Pretty desperate to get the others in though. Not keen on bringing them in for their first game in 6 weeks in the finals


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 10:31 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players



ofcourse you will find it hard to fit in any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy if you are also going to keep Dow in your side.

"Bordering undroppable" is a way of showing respect to Dow's games, but keeping in Dow "in [your] side, ahead of Walsh and Cerra is imo is disrespectful towards Walsh and Cerra.

I look forward to seeing your final selections yo see where you have Dow in your team before Sunday.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:06 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players



ofcourse you will find it hard to fit in any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy if you are also going to keep Dow in your side.

"Bordering undroppable" is a way of showing respect to Dow's games, but keeping in Dow "in [your] side, ahead of Walsh and Cerra is imo is disrespectful towards Walsh and Cerra.

I look forward to seeing your final selections yo see where you have Dow in your team before Sunday.


Absolutely agree Walsh & Cerra have to be ahead of Dow. McGovern Boyd and Silvagni aren't competing for the same spot as Dow - McG is up against Kemp and Marchbank and ahead of both in my view, Boyd against Fisher/Cincotta/Newman/Saad and might oust one of the first 2, behind the other 2 though and Silvagni realistically is competing against Pittonet or as a sub position, where he might be in contest with Dow. Offers more versatility and cover for injury but doesn't have Dow's point of difference as a mid. Kennedy is the one most directly competing for Dow. Whilst again he doesn't offer the Dow point of difference as a mid, he offers more versatility as he can perform as a third tall forward. Again he may be in the mix for sub because of that versatility.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:13 am 
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Hey….

what about that mark Dow took in the
third from memory…just about CHB…standing
under the sky ball…?

excellent…!

i think we’re seeing the Dow that showed
up a bit at the start of his career…his sidestep
is as good as anyone’s in our team…!

which ever way you look at it…whether he stays
or goes…I’m really happy for the lad…he’s a
good boy…!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:20 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players



ofcourse you will find it hard to fit in any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy if you are also going to keep Dow in your side.

"Bordering undroppable" is a way of showing respect to Dow's games, but keeping in Dow "in [your] side, ahead of Walsh and Cerra is imo is disrespectful towards Walsh and Cerra.

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What crap

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:21 am 
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tommi wrote:
Hey….

what about that mark Dow took in the
third from memory…just about CHB…standing
under the sky ball…?

excellent…!

i think we’re seeing the Dow that showed
up a bit at the start of his career…his sidestep
is as good as anyone’s in our team…!

which ever way you look at it…whether he stays
or goes…I’m really happy for the lad…he’s a
good boy…!


kindest regards tommi


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:27 am 
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blueianh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players



ofcourse you will find it hard to fit in any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy if you are also going to keep Dow in your side.

"Bordering undroppable" is a way of showing respect to Dow's games, but keeping in Dow "in [your] side, ahead of Walsh and Cerra is imo is disrespectful towards Walsh and Cerra.

I look forward to seeing your final selections yo see where you have Dow in your team before Sunday.


Absolutely agree Walsh & Cerra have to be ahead of Dow. McGovern Boyd and Silvagni aren't competing for the same spot as Dow - McG is up against Kemp and Marchbank and ahead of both in my view, Boyd against Fisher/Cincotta/Newman/Saad and might oust one of the first 2, behind the other 2 though and Silvagni realistically is competing against Pittonet or as a sub position, where he might be in contest with Dow. Offers more versatility and cover for injury but doesn't have Dow's point of difference as a mid. Kennedy is the one most directly competing for Dow. Whilst again he doesn't offer the Dow point of difference as a mid, he offers more versatility as he can perform as a third tall forward. Again he may be in the mix for sub because of that versatility.


I think we can play all of Cripps Hewett Walsh Cerra & Dow.
The question is can they rotate through HF or on a Wing? That would need to be the balance.
Does Docherty go back to defence? If he does who goes out? Does he go to a Wing and we drop Hollands who's running power has added to us?

McGovern for Marchbank is the only no brainer for me

I am a Boyd fan but Fisher has been good and Cincotta locks down and allows Newman to play with freedom which has really added to our side

Re: The Ruck again it could go either way. I am more a supporter of ONE key ruck but two big bodies helps. Pittonet has a knee concern so may be rested this week.

In the end I don't really care as everyone mentioned deserve a go and as long as we win. Will be interesting


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 11:42 am 
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Assuming this week is essentially a "Dead Rubber" this weekend then my side preparing for finals would be

B: Fisher Weitering McGovern
HB: Newman Kemp Saad
C: Acres Hewett Hollands
HF: Cottrell McKay Owies
F: Martin Curnow Motlop
Foll: TDK Cerra Dow
Int: Walsh Cincotta Silvagni Fogarty (Boyd)

Cripps Docherty Pittonet rested
Marchbank Cuningham Ed Curnow dropped
Kennedy not ready


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:09 pm 
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Need the Saints to upset the Lions at the Gabba, Sydney to beat Melbourne and GWS to beat us, with a 70 point swing between us and the Swans to fall to 7th.

Unlikely, so I would look to rest Cripps and Doc for this game - and we have until the last minute to do this (thanks AFL, you knobs).

Coming 6th isn't bad - likely avoid going to the GABBA - I'd fancy us vs Port in Adelaide if we win our elimination final, which is the most likely outcome for week 2 if we're there.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:24 pm 
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17th Premiership wrote:
The way I see the ladder, it is very unlikely we can finish lower than 6th, absent a thrashing by GWS.
Of course, for old Carlton, that would be the big challenge to maintain the rage with not much riding on it.

Does anyone know how our final position (say, 5th or 6th) affects who we would play in week 2 of the finals, assuming we win in week 1?
Do we play the loser of 1v4 or 2v3? The way it’s shaping up, looks like the former would be in Melbourne, the latter interstate?


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I reckon we see GWS again week 1. I'd be confident winning that and reckon we'd play the Pies week 2.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 21, 2023 12:39 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
JK wrote:
Dow bordering on undroppable- huge part of our 2nd quarter resurgence


He would be in my side. Playing well and a point of difference. The mix of Cripps Hewett (who is back to his best) Walsh Cerra Docherty & Dow is hard to beat. The question will be how we use them and can 1 or 2 of them be effective at HF for periods or does one play wing and we drop Hollands which would be harsh?

I have no idea how we will fit any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy into our side for the first final. Nice problem to finally have but there will be some very unlucky players



ofcourse you will find it hard to fit in any of Walsh Cerra McGovern Boyd Fogarty Silvagni Kennedy if you are also going to keep Dow in your side.

"Bordering undroppable" is a way of showing respect to Dow's games, but keeping in Dow "in [your] side, ahead of Walsh and Cerra is imo is disrespectful towards Walsh and Cerra.

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What crap

Nothing of the sort and I NEVER said ahead of them


I never said you did, but the point is how do you fit them all in, when, during the year Voss couldn't fit both Hewett and Kennedy as inside mids. Even with Kennedy out of the equation how does Dow fit in? With the high calibre ins we have coming in, is his point of difference what we really have a NEED from Dow, despite his hopeless efforts with defence.

Bloody oath it would be unfair to drop Hollands to fit in Dow. No question for me.

Its harsh to drop anyone, but if the squad remain fit and only have Williams out injured for the start of Finals campaign, as it looks for now, there has to be players who are going to miss, and I don't know how Dow misses the cut, along with Jonny come lately, Fisher, Motlop, hey maybe even Hollands who, unlike Dow, has been a stable, but Hollands missing would be to fit Doc or Walsh into the team because they are much better footballers than Hollands let alone Dow.

Have to be realistic; that's my point, or just say Dow deserves a spot but what's up against him is xyz.....not, he's a given. That's my opinion, unless I hear good reason for the opposite.

We are in athe best spot we've been with injury, and have to thank Andrew Russell and his team

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