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PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 8:33 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
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Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


The money isn’t the issue, I just don’t know if he makes us any better. I’d rather play players we already have and I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

I don’t think we need to be chasing mediocre players anymore. We need a couple of top liners or young guys with big upside. This is why Flanders appeals


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

Always room for one more

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


The money isn’t the issue, I just don’t know if he makes us any better. I’d rather play players we already have and I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

I don’t think we need to be chasing mediocre players anymore. We need a couple of top liners or young guys with big upside. This is why Flanders appeals


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we have no picks and no cap room. we're a little too top heavy with contracts on a few - which dilutes the talent pool at the bottom of our list, and bcos of ... now we have too many b-graders at the bottom. i struggle to see what gresham brings that motlop already doesn't - inconsistent, with flashes.

imo we will have to part with a player of actual worth to top up this list meaningfully - which again is only my opinion, but if we don't make finals we need to identify our core & run a comb thru our list and regenerate it


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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 9:42 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


Thanks Farmer.
Pleased to hear that. I’m not really happy with the Gresham move - would much prefer Flanders who I think has more upside. But if it doesn’t cost us any players and pretty cheap…


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:06 am 
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Braithy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


The money isn’t the issue, I just don’t know if he makes us any better. I’d rather play players we already have and I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

I don’t think we need to be chasing mediocre players anymore. We need a couple of top liners or young guys with big upside. This is why Flanders appeals


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we have no picks and no cap room. we're a little too top heavy with contracts on a few - which dilutes the talent pool at the bottom of our list, and bcos of ... now we have too many b-graders at the bottom. i struggle to see what gresham brings that motlop already doesn't - inconsistent, with flashes.

imo we will have to part with a player of actual worth to top up this list meaningfully - which again is only my opinion, but if we don't make finals we need to identify our core & run a comb thru our list and regenerate it


There are ways. We will have a first round pick. TDK if goes will be a first round pick

Then clubs like GWS & GCS are looking to trade out their first rounds as they have academy picks that will go early.

I have no doubt that Cook & Austin have been working hard to quickly fix our Salary Cap position to add to our list at years end. I am reliably told it has been a MAJOR focus of ours all year and we have been speaking with many clubs and players. With changes in CBA coming there will be a lot more money in next 2 years and we can back end some deals. We also now have a lot of "Rookies" on our list


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:09 am 
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17th Premiership wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


Thanks Farmer.
Pleased to hear that. I’m not really happy with the Gresham move - would much prefer Flanders who I think has more upside. But if it doesn’t cost us any players and pretty cheap…


I see Gresham as a role player. He's just about to turn 26 and plays as a quick HF who can kick a goal and play some midfield. That is what we need. Add him to Motlop Cuningham Martin Owies Durdin supporting Charlie & Harry and it looks good. Also, adds leg speed which we need not to mention depth

He is not an A grade star but he brings things we need and his best can be very good. I like it

Flanders I really like if we can make it happen


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:29 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


The money isn’t the issue, I just don’t know if he makes us any better. I’d rather play players we already have and I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

I don’t think we need to be chasing mediocre players anymore. We need a couple of top liners or young guys with big upside. This is why Flanders appeals


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we have no picks and no cap room. we're a little too top heavy with contracts on a few - which dilutes the talent pool at the bottom of our list, and bcos of ... now we have too many b-graders at the bottom. i struggle to see what gresham brings that motlop already doesn't - inconsistent, with flashes.

imo we will have to part with a player of actual worth to top up this list meaningfully - which again is only my opinion, but if we don't make finals we need to identify our core & run a comb thru our list and regenerate it


There are ways. We will have a first round pick. TDK if goes will be a first round pick

Then clubs like GWS & GCS are looking to trade out their first rounds as they have academy picks that will go early.

I have no doubt that Cook & Austin have been working hard to quickly fix our Salary Cap position to add to our list at years end. I am reliably told it has been a MAJOR focus of ours all year and we have been speaking with many clubs and players. With changes in CBA coming there will be a lot more money in next 2 years and we can back end some deals. We also now have a lot of "Rookies" on our list



good to know cook and austin are onto it. without knowing him; i think whatever cook puts his mind to, he can make happen.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:44 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
There are ways. We will have a first round pick. TDK if goes will be a first round pick

Then clubs like GWS & GCS are looking to trade out their first rounds as they have academy picks that will go early.

They’re not looking to give the picks away. They want points in return.

Points we don’t have.

We’re a strong chance to be in the same position next year, so bringing forward the value of next year’s pick isn’t an option.

We have one, maybe two, players that we can afford to sell.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:52 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Flanders I really like if we can make it happen

I've watched him play a few times over the last couple of years and to be honest he hasn't shown much. He would probably come cheaply however I would prefer us to enquire about Elijah Hollands.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:17 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
11. Mitch McGovern 11/10/94 (2014 ND#43 Ade, 2018 Tr.P)
06. Zac Williams 20/9/94 (2013 RD#54 GWS, 2020 Tr.P)
20. Lachie Plowman 11//9/94 (2012 ND#3 GWS, 2015 Tr.P)
42. Adam Saad 23/7/94 (2015 RD#25 GCS, 2017 Tr.P *, 2020 Tr.P)
15. Sam Docherty 17/10/93 (2011 ND#12 Bris, 2013 Tr.P)
24. Nic Newman 15/1/93 (2015 RD#35 Syd, 2018 Tr.P)
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The top end of our age profile is almost all of our rebound game. I would reckon that all of these guys are on their last contracts with the club. Gov & Plow out the door this year, 2/3 years for the rest.

Cincotta & Acres are up and going as potential options to transition beyond that time, with the future (25 and under) being Boyd, Kemp, Carroll (maybe) and Cowan.

If we do wrangle a 2nd or 3rd round pick via trade, I think we’ll be using it on a half back.

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 Post subject: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 12:19 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
Rexy wrote:
11. Mitch McGovern 11/10/94 (2014 ND#43 Ade, 2018 Tr.P)
06. Zac Williams 20/9/94 (2013 RD#54 GWS, 2020 Tr.P)
20. Lachie Plowman 11//9/94 (2012 ND#3 GWS, 2015 Tr.P)
42. Adam Saad 23/7/94 (2015 RD#25 GCS, 2017 Tr.P *, 2020 Tr.P)
15. Sam Docherty 17/10/93 (2011 ND#12 Bris, 2013 Tr.P)
24. Nic Newman 15/1/93 (2015 RD#35 Syd, 2018 Tr.P)
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The top end of our age profile is almost all of our rebound game. I would reckon that all of these guys are on their last contracts with the club. Gov & Plow out the door this year, 2/3 years for the rest.

Cincotta & Acres are up and going as potential options to transition beyond that time, with the future (25 and under) being Boyd, Kemp, Carroll (maybe) and Cowan.

If we do wrangle a 2nd or 3rd round pick via trade, I think we’ll be using it on a half back.


I’d have a crack at Dylan Stephens from Sydney. Not sure what he’d cost or if we could manage it, but he’d be an exciting addition


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
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I wonder if TDK is holding a few up.

I suspect he is.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:33 pm 
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Crusader wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
According to Hun, no interest out west for Zac F but north and hawks showing interest. North potentially interested in Dow and Marchy too.
Do we package them all up to north for one decent pick or trade them individually?
Do we look to get another pick or 2 in this draft or start banking points for the Campo twins?


I hope Marchbank breaks back into the team to remind everyone how much talent he has. Will also increase his value if Andrew Russell thinks March is injury prone if not a bloke whose just had bad luck in the past.

Playing Dow I believe has increased his value.

Bottom line is we need picks to get good talent from the draft.

To whom?

If we table an offer, even if it’s one year on the minimum, he’ll take it. If we don’t, he’ll be a DFA.

I don’t see any scenario where he chooses to go elsewhere for a better offer. I don’t see any trade happening.


Do you think no other team is interested in Dow? I think so.
Do you think Carlton would keep him at a cost that suits us for depth? I think so.
You state a couple ‘ifs’ but seem dogmatic that he won’t chase the offers. I don’t get that logic.

What if I told you there is more than one team interested in him. There is.
What if I told you the club will offer him a contract that will be less than other clubs will offer him. I’m not talking low balling to get rid of him. I’m talking about an offer to remain as depth. If Dow wants to stay, we can even rookie him.

You’re blinded by your beliefs. There is 2 clubs interested in him, maybe 3.

All I’m saying is that his recent exposure in AFL, by selecting him, and with his stats looking good, despite his defensive shortfalls some of us see, his value goes up more than if he was stuck in the VFL every week. Pretty logical.

Let’s see how that pans out. It ain’t over till it’s over. A lot to play out between now and October.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2023
PostPosted: Thu Jul 27, 2023 5:37 pm 
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No to Gresham. Just so overrated.


Agree.

What has he done this year that impresses anyone. I don’t get the interest.

Our kids Motlop and Durdin will have another preseason under their belt, and that Ex basketballer Owies plays the type of physical game Vossy loves. That he also kicks goals, is a bonus.

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I don’t think so. He barracked for the Blues.



He sounded very hesitant when he answered that question after the game on Saturday :lol:



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I didn’t see it.
I will try and find it when I get back from the snow.
Hesitant about what team he followed? Or if he will be at Carlton next year?
What was he asked?

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FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


I’d love to know what hole of a role he fills?
Plays midfield and throws it on his boot if he wins a rare possession?
Plays as a small goal kicking forward. Is he kicking a goal a game or does he go missing for periods in a game, and some games?

I don’t get it. No one else will offer him 500. Stkilda won’t. That’s why he will come to us, not Finals. Too many ahead of him next year after another preseason. False hopes or depth for 4-500 IMO. Keep Dow for 350 instead if he wants to stay at Carlton.

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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


I’d love to know what hole of a role he fills?
Plays midfield and throws it on his boot if he wins a rare possession?
Plays as a small goal kicking forward. Is he kicking a goal a game or does he go missing for periods in a game, and some games?

I don’t get it. No one else will offer him 500. Stkilda won’t. That’s why he will come to us, not Finals. Too many ahead of him next year after another preseason. False hopes or depth for 4-500 IMO. Keep Dow for 350 instead if he wants to stay at Carlton.


I don't get it either - would be as bad a deal as the club has done in the last 20 years and there has been some epic fails!

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Braithy wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


The money isn’t the issue, I just don’t know if he makes us any better. I’d rather play players we already have and I’m already struggling to fit everyone in a best 22.

I don’t think we need to be chasing mediocre players anymore. We need a couple of top liners or young guys with big upside. This is why Flanders appeals


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we have no picks and no cap room. we're a little too top heavy with contracts on a few - which dilutes the talent pool at the bottom of our list, and bcos of ... now we have too many b-graders at the bottom. i struggle to see what gresham brings that motlop already doesn't - inconsistent, with flashes.

imo we will have to part with a player of actual worth to top up this list meaningfully - which again is only my opinion, but if we don't make finals we need to identify our core & run a comb thru our list and regenerate it


Braithy, too top heavy? Sorry mate but You’re spruiking media headlines again. Don’t believe the hype.

You may have missed the list of each teams top line players and their salaries. We look fantastic against Tigers, Pies…many more.

We can afford TDK.
We can afford new players.
We have to use 95% of our salary cap…every year. It’s normal.

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bondiblue wrote:
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I don’t think so. He barracked for the Blues.



He sounded very hesitant when he answered that question after the game on Saturday :lol:



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I didn’t see it.
I will try and find it when I get back from the snow.
Hesitant about what team he followed? Or if he will be at Carlton next year?
What was he asked?



He was asked on field by a junior Blue who he barracked for as a kid. And he ummed & arred then jokingly said Carlton.

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bondiblue wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
jake_h03 wrote:
Priority has to be to sign TDK.

Flanders sounds exciting.

Can’t understand Gresham. Average player at an average club. We’re well beyond having to go for players like this.


We will get Gresham as a FA for aroun $4-500k a year over 3-4 years. That's okay. Has ability and fills a role that will help us

Cook will make sure our Salary Cap is under control and we aren't over spending. Gresham will come for finals opportunity over money

Won't cost us anyone else.

Re: Jack. He isn't going anywhere. Always does his contract late. No issue


I’d love to know what hole of a role he fills?
Plays midfield and throws it on his boot if he wins a rare possession?
Plays as a small goal kicking forward. Is he kicking a goal a game or does he go missing for periods in a game, and some games?

I don’t get it. No one else will offer him 500. Stkilda won’t. That’s why he will come to us, not Finals. Too many ahead of him next year after another preseason. False hopes or depth for 4-500 IMO. Keep Dow for 350 instead if he wants to stay at Carlton.


Disagree. I am also a big believer in depth and competition for spots


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