I think there will be 8-10 changes. As I said we have the core and top end talent. We just need to add to it and fill some holes

Trade TDK, McGovern, future picks, make one pick into two or even a Bowes/Pick 7 scenario may happen. On top of that we have a first round pick and Picks 60 & 66.

Then there is FA, Gresham & Jordan are options. Is there another Blake Acres/Lewis Young around for cheap? Then there is Rookie draft, Pre season picks and mid season draft. Cincotta O'Keefe cost nothing and neither did Cottrell, Owies, Mirkov or Boyd.

Not easy but it can happen with some smart deals. I think we need to also relieve some pressure on our Salary Cap

Moving on TDK, McGovern, Plowman, Dow, Marchbank, Cuningham, Fogarty for mostly draftees/rookies will help that a lot

Just as important is the off field. We need some changes to key personnel

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Correct...Doc is on the podium with Cripps as far as talking absolute crap during the week and then backing it up with more crap on the field

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There are also those who ostensibly will go to war...but only if the coaching feng shui aligns with their personal desires...otherwise known as conditional football

A few of our leaders are in that category...just ask Bolton and Teague!!

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Yep
1. Players feel vindicated and influential in removing coach A
2. Coach B says that everybody starts with a clean slate
3. Everyone is happy watching the phenomenon of multiple bounces by the dead cat
4. Coach B begins exerting authority...otherwise known as honeymoon period over for players
5. Losses start mounting...mmm
6. Media pressure
7. Coach B gets sacked
8. Return to 1 above

The cycle must stop...regardless of Voss' coaching. The club will support him better over the preseason and players suddenly realise they have lost the power and influence

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If you asked me a question...which of these is MORE likely:

A. Voss is a dud coach

B. The players effort, workrate and team-first mindset is consistently below what it should be

IMHO...it would be B by the length of Flemington Straight

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The Club should support him for as long as they and the supporters are willing to endure the dismal performances.
There comes a point a professional club must act accordingly to achieve a quantum of progress, win games of footy & climb the Ladder.
We cannot regress for another 2 /3 years just so as to be conservative and circumspect.
The decades are mounting, supporters are restless.

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Not disputing B but A is is also correct.

Can you name a club in the competition that would swap? I can’t.

Voss will be around next year….take it to the bank.

It’s what added in the meantime we need to smart about

Meanwhile, players must get back to having fun.

And i would suggest B is dependant on A .

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"There are players that are starting to wonder if they in fact have the right system. There are opposition clubs that I have spoken to over the weekend that believe Carlton do not have a discernible game plan.

"There are players at Carlton who don't want to be playing with one another. There are factions developing within the playing group as well.

"There is at least one situation that I know of inside the Carlton dressing room between a couple of players which has caused issues within the team."

... and so it begins.


there is a good point out there. rounds 23 & 24 last season we were up to our necks in it, and really should have beaten pies and dees. we have regressed so far, we're unrecognisable and no one saw this coming.


There's no way our players have tailed off that badly. but what was changed (in the offseason) is the way we're playing the game. void of dare and creation, and defend at all costs - but with no links from HB to mids to forward line. stop, slow footy kick long to 30-70 contests bcos we're allowing defences to be set and spoil. Even the defences know to get smalls around the contest in our own gameplan. something we're not even willing to do.

it's madness. it's horrible to watch, and unless we start playing with some kind of tangible gameplan where you can see what it is, we're trying to achieve. Voss is gone.

‘Apparently’ Weitering and Young are the two that don’t see eye to eye.

Either way, if true then we’ll be lucky to win another game.

How do we come to this?

Fighting over who gets to move the ball on slower?

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if that's true - i'd actually trade weitering for picks at the end of the year - he'd have fairly high to maybe even enormous value for another team. bring in mckay for less $$ as a like-for-like ... that might help the other mckay to somehow kick straight.

weitering can play, but he doesn't have an edge, can disappear for weeks at a time and seems too nice to be CHB. controversial, i know. but, still...

Cliques and factions have been part of Footy Clubs since Adam was a boy . Even in Premiership teams . Just a copout for mine .

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Honestly, who cares if a few players are disgruntled. Is that anyway to run a team?

But we get back to the fact that noone seems to know wtf our gameplan is! We smahed them early last year playing with dare and speed. We've now regressed to this Bolten-esque defend at all times rubbish that just has teams waiting to rebound on us from halfway. Our ball movement is non-existent which has highlighted our skill deficiencies because with the slow Hawthorn-Clarkson build up, you need excellent skills. Ok, I get we got found out in the second half. But Vossy needs to show us he can coach. That he can coach with the magnets he has, not with what he wants. We need to see something positive, something with cohension and we need some bloody passion.

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Not at all. Prior to Dodedee doing his knee I was thinking similarly. Weitering upside is he is generally available, not something that can always be said for Ben McKay

Hands up if you've ever had to work (or play sport) alongside someone you can't stand.

*puts up both hands as high as I can*

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