Maybe it's more Blake Acres and Voss?

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Congratulations CK95

I like your point, 99prelim.
It seems Voss is hamstrung by what worked in 2022.
He passionately believes in 2 big forwards & at least 3 smalls - Durdin, Owies, Motlop is his preferred structure.
Yet all three are dubious tacklers and rarely kick goals.
Time to drop Owies or Motlop or both.
Get some grunt in there.
A bit of fire.
Kennedy can kick goals.. not sure how much time he spends forward but he tackles better than Motlop/Owies & can kick goals.
Try something different.

When Barassi coached in early 70s, he moved his magnets around.
So too Parkin.
Harmes could play defence, mid or forward.
Surely there is a utility in this team?

The VFL team has a chance to play finals.
Get out there and support them.

They’re playing at Princes Park today.
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up front - our smalls. we need speed and craft. ours have none of this. middling plodders who are rarely in the right positions, and can't outrun backs to apply pressure and lock the ball in our F50

there's no one in reggies able to do this job either.

I went last night with a few mates and had a good night despite it being I think our worst performance of the year.

Being there with 3 non carlton footy heads was interesting. Those not invested with heart are always more honest.

We are a complete rabble. There is no plan, no structure. We are so poorly led by our senior players, we don’t run to the next contest, even Walsh who you could rely on gut running does not do it anymore.

I then watch the Voss press conference and it seems the language has changed, it’s now the players not doing what they are asked, not taking risk etc.

ALL YOU HAVE a SAID ALL @#$%&! YEAR YOU MUPPET IS DEFENCE AND NOW YOUR LAMENTING OUR LACK OF DARE. GET [REDACTED].

We are not that good, we wouldn’t challenge for a flag this year with Ted Lasso as our coach, but where we sit on the ladder, the fact we likely finish bottom 5.

ITS STUBBORN BLOKES WHO REFUSE POINT BLANK TO ADMIT THEY ARE WRONG.

We cheated the rebuild by overpaying for players that haven’t preformed.
Would these players be in any top 4 team on the money we are paying them?
Martin ,Williams ,Gov, Saad ,Lesser extent Cerra

Hawthorn Richmond Geelong didn’t recruit players until they were competitive already.
Clubs are successful when you draft a player and they succeed on lower income with more money to spread.

Positives
Kemp looks like a player he’s played 10 games and our Defense is under extreme pressure week in week our we must play him the rest of the season.
Dow looked ok our midfield looked better with him out there he played 34% for 9 disposals at 78%.he wants/wanted to stay at the club we wouldn’t have to pay him the world. Crazy not to Give him 5+games in this system.

Didn't he re-sign for 2 more years recently?

I turned the TV off at 3/4 time.
Like others here I really didn't care, normally I would be getting angry or involved emotionally watching a game.
8 years into our complete rebuild we are onto our 3rd coach and still in the bottom 6.
Well done Carlton.

One of my favourite players.....

But something is wrong...
Head not in the game at all at the moment. Could predict last night what he WASN'T going to do.....the obvious thing right in front of him.
(one example... Saad screaming for it running past with no none but Gawn on the mark and no none trailing Saad, and the Doc seemed to look at him blankly???) Correct...
Delay and poor decision, combined with poor skills is killing us.
Worst of all, we aren't busting our arses WHEN WE have the ball... Leads, blocks, running to create space or be a decoy...
Non existent...

Go Blues!

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Yeah I'm pretty much done with them too.
Get into the Vixens. My daughter is obsessed with netball so started going. Awesome team.
Queens birthday they play their last home game before finals against magpies.
Will be great to see a flowering collingwood team lose for once.

Yep that's what we need. To look backwards. That's what we have been good at in the past. Hopefully with Sayers leading the club we look forwards and do not revisit the errors of the past - like blaming and then sacking the coach. There are glimmers there. If only confidence could be bottled.

You can't learn from the past is what you are saying?
Ok then.

All premiership teams learn from the past. Geelong last year brought in deKoening to stabilise their defence & they got their rucking structure right. If you can't learn from the past then God help us.

If you stay one-dimensional and predictable oppositions can set up a game plan to beat you. (This is a fact whether it is 1980s football or 2023 football).

In the game last night - they repeatedly kicked long to full forward (not to a lead but just a bomb). In one instance they kicked it to full forward and the only one there was Motlop was one out against two defenders. He isn't a marking target. That should be basic knowledge, right? Why on earth was he the only one at full-forward? Who is responsible for this mistake?

So I would be thinking McGovern (a third marking target) would take some pressure off McKay and Curnow. That might be wrong, but we can't keep sticking to a system that is producing losses.

Silvagni played defence in the VFL. Is this the only position he should play in the future? as he isn't an accurate shot for goal & he isn't good enough as a 2nd ruck. Have we learnt from THE PAST on that or do we stick with it?

Or get more goals out of the midfielders. Why can't the midfielders kick goals? Start thinking hard as all I see is a solid defence just trying to stem the tide.

i found the tone of his speech after his milestone game the other week quite off-putting.

he made a big thing of saying there’s much more important things in life than football and much worst things than losing a game of football.

well clearly captain obvious, but is that really the best message to be giving your players after another pissweak loss, this time to our most disliked rival club? maybe he though those soothing words were appropriate in the disappointment felt in that moment but it just all felt 100% resigned to another wasted season to me.


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motlop one out against a much taller defender near the goal square has been a consistent feature of the blues game plan since Motlop first played seniors (which was probably out of desperation and wishful thinking, but also way before he’s ready for seniors in my view).

i commented on it after one of his first games, how is this out game plan, to have a kid with a defender one foot taller on him is a wayne carey target in an open paddock. and how is it we always kick to him knowing full well he cannot even halve the contest?


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Can’t agree ‘we cheated the rebuild’. We have depth and talent. The list isn’t the issue.

I just gave my opinion on it. Not sure we have the depth we think we have.

Seriously, we can’t agree what the problem is.
Is it the list? Is it the psychology or the skills or the footy IQ? The coach? The game plan? The assistants? Is it the Board? The footy boss? The fitness people? The recruiting team? A combination of some of these? All of them??
Everyone has a view and they are all different and I’m sure most of us are pretty sure about it!
I’m sure someone will have hit upon the right answer. But how does ‘someone’ at the club work out what that is??

This is the biggest problem we face and seeing all the different - and 100% certain - views on here makes me even more depressed.

How can we complain about disharmony on the Board, amongst the players, whatever….? Of course there’s disharmony because everyone has a different view, everyone thinks they’re right and everyone else is stuffing it up.

(FWIW, I don’t know the answer but I’m pretty sure that getting rid of Cripps, Docherty and Weitering in favour of Cincotta, Binns and Dow will not make us a better team. But this is just one of the many, many views expressed in this thread and elsewhere.)

All the ‘advice’ can only have the effect of making Voss dig in harder to his own position, rightly or wrongly, b/c with so much contradictory opinion, what else can he possibly do?

At least, let us recognise that we are all trying to fix this, but none of us has perfect insight. (Except that one person who has got the right combination… )


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We have some top end talent. We do not have the depth, and we do not have a group of player that instinctively know where their team mates are going to be.

We have dumb footballers and we have a dumb or ill communicated gameplan that no on is capable of adapting to.

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I don't think we're a bottom team but we simply cannot beat the top 8 teams. Reckon we'll finish about 10th to 12th, which is very disappointing given how we looked for periods last year.

I'm not usually one to sit on what the coaches say in their pressers, I mean they can only say so much & can't just fix things with their words to the media, but must admit I took notice after the Coll game I think it was. When Voss got a bit testy when they asked him about offence. He doubled down & insisted he wasn't going to talk about offence, because it was all about getting them to defend. Well Vossy we kept the Dees to 8 goals last night - trouble was we only kicked 6 ourselves.

We are a shit team to watch.

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I'd rather we be added to this list.

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