Carlton assistants into the Collingwood coaches box?

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I don't at all like the suggestions of moving Gov forward. Stability in the back half is important and he is working with the others well there. Only reason to play him forward is so that when he doesn't kick a gioal people on here can say how useless he is. Its the movement forward that is the issue ( and kicking straight for goal), how does having Gov forward solve that. Robbing Peter to pay Paul in my opinion. Only change is for Martin to come in. Ed out.

With our best injury list in years we will have two very good sides this weekend which is vital to our success. Pity the reserves play at Williamstown just before the Seniors this Sunday. Means a player or two may be held over.

Seniors:

B: Boyd Young Weitering
HB: Docherty Silvagni Saad
C: Acres Cripps Hollands
HF: Martin Charlie Walsh
F: McGovern McKay Owies
Foll: Pittonet Kennedy Cerra
Int: Hewett Cottrell Newman Motlop (Durdin)

Seconds

B: Plowman Akeui Marchbank
HB: Cincotta Kemp Cowan
C: Binns Dow O'Brien
HF: Honey Lemmey Fisher
F: Crocker Mirkov Cahill
Foll: TDK Curnow Fogarty
Int: O'Keefe Lieu

Not bad. We need some KP and midfield depth next year

Yes, of course it is. Doc only attended 6 centre bounces, 5 of them in the last quarter (replacing Cripps for at least 3 of those).
Cripps attended 20 centre bounces, apparently, as you say, only winning one. Hewitt attended 16 times, Kennedy 13, Walsh 10 and Cerra 4 (Cerra attended a total of 39 centre bounces, had 72 possessions, kicked 3 goals, 18 tackles and 17 overall clearances in the three games prior to the Doggies game. Unfortunately, he is the only on-baller, except Walsh, who can play in a position other than on-ball. Basically, he was moved to the back flank so Kennedy could play.)

For the Dogs, Bont attended 22 times (96%) and Smith the same as Cripps with 20. (imagine having a classy speedster like Smith at your centre bounces!). And Kennedy did not go exclusively to Bont and keep him to 3 clearances as BV has misinformed us - in the last quarter at least he seemed more interested in Smith, had a couple on Macrae. And there was no interchange blunder that kept BV's champion out the game in the last quarter. He was rotated off at about the 16 minute mark for about 3-4 minutes and then off again at about the 7.5 minute mark for about 3 minutes.



About a month ago, Voss said something like "now we got all our bulls back on the field, we should see the real Carlton." Well, he was right except not in the way he meant because that was just before the Adelaide game. Nothing seems to have changed. Maybe we just don't have the personnel. But I don't buy that.

Based on everything I’ve seen and heard from the club, I don’t think there will be any structural/positional changes like moving McG forward, moving Jack back etc…
There might be some personnel changes based on execution such as Boyd in to improve backline disposal/distribution but I even doubt there will be much of that.
I think Voss believes in his system and will implore the players to stick to it but to improve their execution.
Most likely changes, if any, will be minor to bring in a perceived upgrade (eg Martin) or if someone is injured or needs a rest (I think the AFL initially reported that Holland’s was subbed due to injury).
Most likely for me:
In: Martin (LOB if Hollands is out)
Out: Ed (Hollands if injured/rested)


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Based on recent evidence of both clubs, can't see us getting near them.

Just inquisitive as to which one of Hoskin Elliot, Jamie Elliott of Mcdreary bobs up with 4 goals.
Or will bobby bob up ?

CFC = snow flakes.

Is this the thing where you can give up your ticket so it's available for use by someone else?



Good on you kezza.
I don't think I'll be going this week.
It's just not fun this year and weekend/spare time is precious.

Hard to get excited for this game given the tripe we’ve dished up recently and the well below par form of a number of senior players
Hard to make many logical arguments as to why we win this one but let’s see what happens

Yeah I think Martin is the one, if they feel he is ready.

He does provide a point of difference.

Wouldn't that be good.

I don't think we are a hope in hell. Pies are in fine form. They have a good game plan they execute really well having stuck with it for 1.5 years now. In contrast our game plan and the execution of it is a dogs breakfast. Can't move it from defense, move it slowly, can't score.
If we win, we'd be pulling a performance out of the box, which seems incredibly likely.

I liked BV's idea that Young follows Cox everywhere.

I didnt expect Cameron to play, but if he does. that changes the Pies forward profile a fair bit.

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My interpretation of Vossy's presser is Martin will not play until he proves he has form, and that's up to Jack.

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My interpretation of Voss's press conference is that he has no idea how to turn our season around and we are cooked.
Seriously that is 11 min of my life I will never get back.

Certainly seems like a work in progress.

These small incremental changes he talks about this year are one thing, but I thought we did that last year and during this season. I cant see any improvement from last year TBH. Our foprm isnt even close to last couple games on 2022.

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Hate to say it, as much as I think we need to play a more aggressive brand, I half wonder this Sunday our best chance is to try and stick to the slow game style, just to defend as best we can. Coll's game plan is all about fast ball movement and they can score very quickly if they can move the ball quickly to their forwards from defense. I don't think our quick game is anywhere near ready to win against the top seed side, who play a quick game. A conservative approach and we lose by 20-30. Or we say @#$%&! it and take them on.

Shame Martin isn't ready, if that is the case.
He would add something and God knows we need an extra avenue to goal.

I don't know why they bother anymore. Sounds like Politicians

For the record. I'm offering an opinion. No different to anyone else here. And I wouldn't want to misinform anyone about Kennedy having a job on Bont, would I? Maybe I should apologise.

But so probably should Michael Voss who said in his press conference "for most of the night, Matty had a great role on him, for a large part of the game, he was able to get that job done for us, but good players still find a way don't they? for certain periods of time, they still find a way. So they don't need a long period of time to do some damage but yeah, pleased with the way that Matty went about that tonight "

Or the AFL who wrote in their match report "It would have been fun to see Paddy Cripps and this year's hot favourite for the Brownlow, Marcus Bontempelli, go head-to-head, but the (somewhat spoilsport) coaches had other ideas. Matt Kennedy kept a close eye on the Dogs' skipper around the stoppages, while Tom Liberatore looked after Cripps."

I would have thought most posters with a basic understanding of the game would appreciate nobody plays on anyone for 100 minutes. There are rotations, tagged players going to others to create 2 on 1's etc etc. But it was obvious to anyone who has a shred of knowledge that Kennedy had the job on Bont. Perhaps I need to clarify more for those with no idea in future.

As for the interchange "blunder". I didn't call it that at all. I posted-


Them's the facts. Carlton hit the lead with 6.36 to go in the last quarter. The next 3 centre bounces consisted of a mix of Cripps 3, Docherty 2, Hewitt, 3, Walsh 1. In that time the Bulldogs kicked 3 goals whilst Kennedy was off and Cerra was sitting at half back. Game over.
I have a theory Billy, if you want to be a smart arse and do "drive by's" on other posters , be 100% sure. Otherwise you just end up looking like a dick head.

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TDK, Boyd and Fisher in to the 25.

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