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Cunningham & Martin. Really don't know whether to laugh or cry

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Definitely aint a laughing matter and little point crying over spilt milk .

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Definitely aint a laughing matter and little point crying over spilt milk .


I gave up on Cunningham and Marchbank a while ago.

Have now given up on Martin. Can’t believe how much we have paid this bloke.

See how McGovern goes. But little confidence he will stand up this year. If he doesn’t, then bye bye.

Not much confidence with Williams but a bit more time for him to demonstrate some level of durability.
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Cunningham & Martin. Really don't know whether to laugh or cry


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Subject to any late outs, these are the players unavailable this weekend:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philp
Saad
Williams

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Paddycripps wrote:
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Walsh or LOB might need to spend more time behind the ball. We have to get more run from the back half. That's where it all starts under Voss' steady on game plan. Our defenders get high possessions. Someone needs to get their hands on it down back. Dare I say it McGovern's selection is critical.


This is exactly the role Cerra is playing, and I'm fairly sure I've seen you criticise Voss for it on the basis that Cerra is our "second best inside mid".

Now you want to take our best running midfielder in Walsh, or our stop-gap running winger in LoB (who can't tackle) and stick them behind the ball?

Play either of them behind the ball and we may as well put up the white flag before the bounce.


What rubbish.
Cerra is playing onball. He is probably our only consistent onballer right now.
In suggesting a Walsh or a LOB spend a fair amount of time down back, I am acknowledging we are a bit desperate for run and rebound down back and something might need to give.
Fist Williams then Doc and now Saad.
St.K are not a quick side so in some respects it is probably timely our sluggish and under performing midfield comes up against them now. Voss needs to throw down the challenge to Cripps, Hewett, Ed Curnow and Kennedy. To win the contest.
But he also needs to find some way to generate run from defense. I like Cincotta, have watched him for 2 years in the VFL, but it is a big ask for him to come in and be a large part of the solution.
Our stuttering midfield less Walsh has got us to 4th on the ladder. So maybe ask Walsh to start on a wing but play with an eye on the backhalf so he can be the guy playing Saad's role. Or LOB. Someone has to generate that run.
And what do you mean by stop-gap? Sounds like a throw away term from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
LOB and Walsh are two of our best runners, someone has to help the backs this weekend and maybe next weekend also if Saad is out again. Saad is a major avenue out of defense for us. His absense will be acutely felt if we don't find other ways to run and carry from defense. Again I like Cincotta but gee it is his first game.


No wonder we've got problems down back :yikes:
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Effes wrote:
Early prognosis
The Blues will be without Saad for the next fortnight, but McGovern and Pittonet are trending towards playing this week. Boyd should return via the VFL, but Cuningham and Martin have suffered setbacks to respective calf issues. – Riley Beveridge


Martin and Cuningham suffered a set back weeks ago. I doubt they have suffered another but if so, that’s on the medical team.
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Early prognosis
The Blues will be without Saad for the next fortnight, but McGovern and Pittonet are trending towards playing this week. Boyd should return via the VFL, but Cuningham and Martin have suffered setbacks to respective calf issues. – Riley Beveridge


Martin and Cuningham suffered a set back weeks ago. I doubt they have suffered another but if so, that’s on the medical team.


Seriously, I don't care if they have contracts or not. Time to move on Martin Marchbank Cuningham Philp. McGovern the same if he breaks down again. With lists of 44 you can't carry so many players that can't get on the park
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showbag wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
robertbb wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Walsh or LOB might need to spend more time behind the ball. We have to get more run from the back half. That's where it all starts under Voss' steady on game plan. Our defenders get high possessions. Someone needs to get their hands on it down back. Dare I say it McGovern's selection is critical.


This is exactly the role Cerra is playing, and I'm fairly sure I've seen you criticise Voss for it on the basis that Cerra is our "second best inside mid".

Now you want to take our best running midfielder in Walsh, or our stop-gap running winger in LoB (who can't tackle) and stick them behind the ball?

Play either of them behind the ball and we may as well put up the white flag before the bounce.


What rubbish.
Cerra is playing onball. He is probably our only consistent onballer right now.
In suggesting a Walsh or a LOB spend a fair amount of time down back, I am acknowledging we are a bit desperate for run and rebound down back and something might need to give.
Fist Williams then Doc and now Saad.
St.K are not a quick side so in some respects it is probably timely our sluggish and under performing midfield comes up against them now. Voss needs to throw down the challenge to Cripps, Hewett, Ed Curnow and Kennedy. To win the contest.
But he also needs to find some way to generate run from defense. I like Cincotta, have watched him for 2 years in the VFL, but it is a big ask for him to come in and be a large part of the solution.
Our stuttering midfield less Walsh has got us to 4th on the ladder. So maybe ask Walsh to start on a wing but play with an eye on the backhalf so he can be the guy playing Saad's role. Or LOB. Someone has to generate that run.
And what do you mean by stop-gap? Sounds like a throw away term from someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
LOB and Walsh are two of our best runners, someone has to help the backs this weekend and maybe next weekend also if Saad is out again. Saad is a major avenue out of defense for us. His absense will be acutely felt if we don't find other ways to run and carry from defense. Again I like Cincotta but gee it is his first game.


No wonder we've got problems down back :yikes:


Imagine a fit defence?

B: Boyd Young McGovern
HB: Williams Weitering Saad (Docherty can go mid) plus Cowan Cincotta Durdin Newman

That is as good as any in the game
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 Post subject: Re: Injury thread 2023
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FarmerBlue wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Effes wrote:
Early prognosis
The Blues will be without Saad for the next fortnight, but McGovern and Pittonet are trending towards playing this week. Boyd should return via the VFL, but Cuningham and Martin have suffered setbacks to respective calf issues. – Riley Beveridge


Martin and Cuningham suffered a set back weeks ago. I doubt they have suffered another but if so, that’s on the medical team.


Seriously, I don't care if they have contracts or not. Time to move on Martin Marchbank Cuningham Philp. McGovern the same if he breaks down again. With lists of 44 you can't carry so many players that can't get on the park

Yep, we have so many players that due to injury are unable to get on the park on a regular basis. Telling players they are being delisted must be the hardest job at a football club, but we aren't a benevolent society. We can't keep hanging on to players on potential when they never stay fit long enough to deliver. Then there are those on long term, seriously big money contracts who are rarely playing. Martin, Williams and McGovern I'm thinking of you.
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List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philp
Saad
TDK
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.

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aboynamedsue wrote:
List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philip
Saad
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.


They did have an inquiry in the off season . Cook stated that there where no major problems . Just needed to tweak a couple of things . Might have to tweak a bit more .

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I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.



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Mickstar wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philip
Saad
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.


They did have an inquiry in the off season . Cook stated that there where no major problems . Just needed to tweak a couple of things . Might have to tweak a bit more .

I hope they don't tweak any more hamstrings or calves. :banghead:

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CFC8795 wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philip
Saad
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.


They did have an inquiry in the off season . Cook stated that there where no major problems . Just needed to tweak a couple of things . Might have to tweak a bit more .

I hope they don't tweak any more hamstrings or calves. :banghead:

Cowan will calve eventually

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We need to tweak Andrew Russell into the sea.
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aboynamedsue wrote:
List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philip
Saad
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.
You can cope with injury list like this for short periods of time but ours has been like this week in week out for several years.
I wonder how many could actually be available to play but they take the cautious approach.
I have been on about the club needing to hire a good shrink for a long time.
When ever the level of expectations rise the club collapses and the injury toll rises.
Watching Walsh play the last 2 weeks you are not telling me he wasn't ready weeks back.

The whole club has a level of expectations this goes from board level to coaching to players and medical staff and no one is prepared to be brave in case something goes wrong.

Through all the sacked coaches immediately after that it's like the weight of the world is lifted we play exciting unhindered football start winning getting players back and look good. Then the media, fans and management raise the level and we go from hoping to expecting to win and the moment that happens and we look like taking the next step we clam up play conservative and injury list get longer.

Don't know how you fix it but Mcrae seems to have done it with the pies but they haven't won anything yet. When finals happen we will see.

Last year was the perfect example. The defence was decimated however they started the season off well players like Marchbank and Martin returned then we went from hoping to expecting and choked the rest of year and finished with half the midfield sitting in the stands.

Calf tightness seriously it's a running game of course they get tight .



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Very good post Syd.

Hopefully having Cookie on board will help us handle expectations & success.

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Sydney Blue wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
List of players who didn’t play at either level in round 6:

Cottrell
Cunningham
Docherty
S.Durdin
Kemp*
Lemmey
Marchbank
Martin
Mirkov
Owies
Philip
Saad
Williams

*(assuming he didn’t play VFL because AFL emergency, but who knows if he’s injured too)

I don’t care what anyone says, that’s too many listed players sitting in the stands. It has to impact on continuity and performance of both teams.

I’m not suggesting there aren’t other areas we need to look at (eg. coaching, kicking & list management are amongst them), but our injury issues continue year after year without seemingly any acknowledgment and action from the club.
You can cope with injury list like this for short periods of time but ours has been like this week in week out for several years.
I wonder how many could actually be available to play but they take the cautious approach.
I have been on about the club needing to hire a good shrink for a long time.
When ever the level of expectations rise the club collapses and the injury toll rises.
Watching Walsh play the last 2 weeks you are not telling me he wasn't ready weeks back.

The whole club has a level of expectations this goes from board level to coaching to players and medical staff and no one is prepared to be brave in case something goes wrong.

Through all the sacked coaches immediately after that it's like the weight of the world is lifted we play exciting unhindered football start winning getting players back and look good. Then the media, fans and management raise the level and we go from hoping to expecting to win and the moment that happens and we look like taking the next step we clam up play conservative and injury list get longer.

Don't know how you fix it but Mcrae seems to have done it with the pies but they haven't won anything yet. When finals happen we will see.

Last year was the perfect example. The defence was decimated however they started the season off well players like Marchbank and Martin returned then we went from hoping to expecting and choked the rest of year and finished with half the midfield sitting in the stands.

Calf tightness seriously it's a running game of course they get tight .



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Saad a test, another week for Owies, TDK & Cottrell available.

No mention of Lemmey or Mirkov.

https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/13169 ... closing-in

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