billc3 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Hopefully Voss & Co are scrutinising the Swans Pies game and will implement the Swans template to beat Pies.
They suffocated the Pies' dangerous forwards weapons Mihocek and Elliot.
And set up really well to stiffle the Pies' rebound.
The Pies' game plan is brilliant because it is perfectly tailored to their personnel.
While they have some fine players in there they do not have one of the best midfields and don't rely on clearances as a strength.
They also don't have absolute stand out key forwards, with the small Elliot their best forward.
Their strength is their defense.
So McRae has built a very shrewd game plan where they load the backline creating an incredibly dense cluster of Collingwood players making it really hard for the opposition to score.
As a consequence they are always in games.
While they lost yesterday the reality is they were still in the game late in the match despite having only kicked 4 goals.
So the defensive game style keeps them in games.
That's why they have won so many tight games this year often with their key onballers not getting high possessions.
Then when they get possession of the ball they run forward of the play with incredible speed.
The game winning goal against Essendon*** was amazing. Yes Ess didn't set up well to defend the transition but regardless the Pies' dare and speed was incredible.
This forward game style of rebounding with electric speed and dare allows their moderately tooled forwards to impact on the game.
This overall game plan is all about maximising their strength (defense) and allowing the lesser parts of their game to shine.
That's why I really worry about this weekend's game.
Even if we do turn up mentally I worry we just aren't that well organised yet as a team (the last 2 mins the other night is all the evidence you need). Voss & Co have their work cut out trying to implement a game style that will a. allow us to kick a game winning score, and b. stop the Pies' rebound.
Part of our problem this year is our strength (Harry and Charlie) is also our achilles heel as we don't have enough avenues to goal. That's why it was good to see Martin hit the scoreboard last weekend. Reality is Durdin and Motlop are very inexperienced small forwards and let's be honest Owies is slow for a small forward. And JSOS keeps getting thrown all over the side it must be hard for him to impact as a forward when he doesn't know if he is to play forward or ruck or even down back as he was late last weekend or even if he is going to be in the 22.
And then there is the ruck. The Pies as good as they have been this year are not one of the best clearance sides but our rucks are all over the shop. Hasn't helped that Voss keeps chopping and changing the rucks.
To win this weekend we will need to ...
- hopefully perform better in the ruck than we have been to hopefully allow Cripps etc to win some vital clearances from the centre
- this then allows Harry and Charlie the best chance to hit the scoreboard
- when the ball is in our F50 we have to set up so well to stop the Pies' inevitable frantic rebound
- and part of this will be finding a way to stop Mihocek and Elliot
In 2023 Voss will need to find other ways for us to score and Motlop and Durdin getting more experience will help
But this coming weekend we really are going to need Harry and Charlie to have good days I reckon
Because once the Pies rebound I really worry
Reality is when Harry and Charlie have good days we win.
When they don't we tend to lose.
Key will be seeing how Syd suffocated the Pies' forwards but I worry the narrow SCG helped Syd achieve this
The wider expanses of the G will be harder to defend
Was it a positional thing the Swans did? They seemed to be able to cut the Pies' rebound off at the knees better than any side has done for 11 weeks
If it is a positional masterstroke by Longmire then hopefully we can replicate that
I think our wings ability to rush back and defend is going to be massive
Cottrell becomes vital, as does the flawed LOB
We are simply going to have to be so switched on to defend once the Pies defenders get the ball in their grubby hands
Reality is even if we get a lead going into the 4th the Pies will take the game on running with dare and going through the corridor.
Will our players be able to hold their nerve better than they did last weekend?
Good post PC...
But the SCG is wider (not narrower) and shorter.
This made the Swans task to block the middle harder and the ability for the Pies to get the ball forward quickly even easier.... and the Swans still stifled them...
They did well and hope we were watching...
Moore needs to be accountable and Sidebottom and JDaicos outright tagged...
If Moore has a man we have to make sure Quaynor is not orchestrated as a 'loose' man....
Beyond that I can't see where they get drive to get it to Mihocek or Elliot... Who are only dangerous with supply
Go Blues
Great posts. Thanks.
Love the summary of Pies game plan Paddy.
Better than reading the bias scribes, who don't watch the whole game because they are writing notes or spruiking their self importance to someone who doesn't care....Robbo?...or only watch part games on the reds.
MCG is 5m wider and 5m longer than SCG.
Similar shape nowadays. Not so prior to 2007 when they had an extra 10 rows of seats.
Voss hasnt been chopping and changing rucks. That's a bit of an exaggeration.
Pitto is our first ruck. He rucked till till injured against Freo in round 6.
TDK took over first ruck from round 7 till Pitto's return against Geelong in round 17
Pitto was managed in round 20 against Brizzy because he had a cold/flu that week.
TDK was dropped after his effort vs Brisbane.
Pitto is back a week later to replace TDK.
SOS has been 2nd ruck when the 2 rucks are not playing...he is too small vs Cameron and Cox
Grundy was missing for Pies in our earlier encounter.
Cameron & Coz smashed TDK & SOS.
Pitto will be a huge upgrade in the ruck for us.
Crisp & Adams had their best contested game for the season.
Henry & Lipinski got off the chain in the last before we staged our comeback. Elliot didn't play.
Sidey was quiet but had a good 3rd quarter, but Pies set the tone from the outset.
DeGoey was too strong for Plowman and around the ball given too much space.
We have to go ape shit and animal at the contest with a view to hurt them in this game of attrition.
Play a similar close checking style as we did vs Dees for 4 quarters.
If we do, we can win this by 5 goals.
Lets hope Ginnivan doesn't play, and they continue to miss Adams.