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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:25 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


I'm happy if we finish 5th or 6th. With Bye week before Top 4 means less. As a young side we need to keep playing each week.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:28 am 
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I'll tell you what McKay had want to pull his finger out.,
He has been terrible the last 2 weeks.
I know he kicked 5 against WC but that was against WC and his first half was terrible, as was his entire game against Geel.
Yes delivery was poor but he was also toweled by DeKoning who read the flight of the ball better than he did.
Several things are frustrating me about Mckay...

1. He isn't holding marks. Granted some of these are tough but at the end of the day the best key forwards hold those sorts of chances. Many times of late he has been on the lead and dropped marks. Yes they are sharp leads and sharp kicks but he needs to do better bec the best forwards catch these more times than he does. And in one one ones he is being pushed aside too easily. He is a monster of a man but he isn't being tough enough in contests right now.
2. From 50m out he is hopeless. Can't kick across the body that far and his drop punt is no better.
3. He isn't working hard enough in contests when the ball isn't delivered on a silver platter. The ball won't always come in how you like it and big forwards need to fight for their wins and he isn't fighting near enough right now.

Weitering also needs to lift.
I know it is tough missing games and having to find the touch and rhythm again with your fellow backs but his first 2 games back have been terrible. Twice against Geel he was nowhere near his man Tom and that equated to 2 goals. Just terrible. And then he and Young together fluffed a chanced to mark near the boundary. Weiters looks like he is stoned out there. Fkn lift Jacob. You're a VC FFS.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:37 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


I'm happy if we finish 5th or 6th. With Bye week before Top 4 means less. As a young side we need to keep playing each week.


I think this upcoming game is a test for Voss and the leaders.
The season is in our hands.
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?
Biclvas marking unattended in the goal square and neither SOS or Weitering going up in the ruck against Hawks was total amateur hour shit.
Cripps being tagged at centre bounces and Carlton again losing the clearance momentum in the first half.
Players shitting themselves and fumbling and handballing and kicking poorly because they were pressured and scared.
Are we going to draw a line in the sand now and cut out the unforgivable mistakes and truly harden up?
Losses to top 8 teams Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong says we need to pull our socks up.

We have averaged 5th on the ladder throughout the year.
Be interesting to see where we are in 5 weeks.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:47 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


I'm happy if we finish 5th or 6th. With Bye week before Top 4 means less. As a young side we need to keep playing each week.


I think this upcoming game is a test for Voss and the leaders.
The season is in our hands.
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?
Biclvas marking unattended in the goal square and neither SOS or Weitering going up in the ruck against Hawks was total amateur hour shit.
Cripps being tagged at centre bounces and Carlton again losing the clearance momentum in the first half.
Players shitting themselves and fumbling and handballing and kicking poorly because they were pressured and scared.
Are we going to draw a line in the sand now and cut out the unforgivable mistakes and truly harden up?
Losses to top 8 teams Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong says we need to pull our socks up.

We have averaged 5th on the ladder throughout the year.
Be interesting to see where we are in 5 weeks.


100% agree. I watched the replay last night and what it showed me is Geelong giving everything including some key plans to shut us down like Blicavs on Cripps. We didn't do anything we haven't done all year.

Did we lose the battle to win the war? Voss now has a clear idea of what Geelong will do to beat us.

We also have so much upside. I was there and it was as windy a game I have been to in years. We didn't handle it. We also made stupid mistakes with lack of communication not to mention poor discipline. These thinsg can be fixed easily

We also only lost by 5 goals to the top side with Cripps McKay Weitering Young Docherty well below their best.

I'm disappointed to lose but I see LOTS of upside. This week we get back Pittonet & McGovern. Soon Marchbank and hopefully Williams & Boyd. They are very important players to us and our structure. I expect a big bounce back this week


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:51 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
I think people are harsh on Hayes. First full game for club against top side. He had a crack. The guy has played 13 games. That’s it. Needs to be judged on more games

Heading towards finals we need to get Newman Newnes Plowman out and names like Pittonet McGovern Williams Marchbank Owies Boyd into the side

I see last night as a massive learning experience. How we bounce back over next month will tell us a lot


When a footballer kicks poorly on multiple occasions it is a red flag for mine


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:54 am 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


I'm happy if we finish 5th or 6th. With Bye week before Top 4 means less. As a young side we need to keep playing each week.


I think this upcoming game is a test for Voss and the leaders.
The season is in our hands.
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?
Biclvas marking unattended in the goal square and neither SOS or Weitering going up in the ruck against Hawks was total amateur hour shit.
Cripps being tagged at centre bounces and Carlton again losing the clearance momentum in the first half.
Players shitting themselves and fumbling and handballing and kicking poorly because they were pressured and scared.
Are we going to draw a line in the sand now and cut out the unforgivable mistakes and truly harden up?
Losses to top 8 teams Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong says we need to pull our socks up.

We have averaged 5th on the ladder throughout the year.
Be interesting to see where we are in 5 weeks.


100% agree. I watched the replay last night and what it showed me is Geelong giving everything including some key plans to shut us down like Blicavs on Cripps. We didn't do anything we haven't done all year.

Did we lose the battle to win the war? Voss now has a clear idea of what Geelong will do to beat us.

We also have so much upside. I was there and it was as windy a game I have been to in years. We didn't handle it. We also made stupid mistakes with lack of communication not to mention poor discipline. These thinsg can be fixed easily

We also only lost by 5 goals to the top side with Cripps McKay Weitering Young Docherty well below their best.

I'm disappointed to lose but I see LOTS of upside. This week we get back Pittonet & McGovern. Soon Marchbank and hopefully Williams & Boyd. They are very important players to us and our structure. I expect a big bounce back this week


Am I being harsh when I say excuses should not be accepted?
I mean we lost to Richmond because we didn't handle the rain.
We lost to Geelong because we didn't handle the wind.
Is it OK for a developing side to make such excuses?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:59 am 
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I am not sure I want LOB getting back in on account his replacement is going to be rubbed out.
And in any event I believe LOB didn't play the second half in the VFL?
Was he injured?
By all accounts he was great early.

But I still think it is good to make em earn it.
Setterfield might be a bit vanilla but by jingoes 40 touches is a fair effort.
And against his old side GWS.

I guess only the inner sanctum know how much LOB wants it?


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:59 am 
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Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


I'm happy if we finish 5th or 6th. With Bye week before Top 4 means less. As a young side we need to keep playing each week.


I think this upcoming game is a test for Voss and the leaders.
The season is in our hands.
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?
Biclvas marking unattended in the goal square and neither SOS or Weitering going up in the ruck against Hawks was total amateur hour shit.
Cripps being tagged at centre bounces and Carlton again losing the clearance momentum in the first half.
Players shitting themselves and fumbling and handballing and kicking poorly because they were pressured and scared.
Are we going to draw a line in the sand now and cut out the unforgivable mistakes and truly harden up?
Losses to top 8 teams Collingwood, Richmond and Geelong says we need to pull our socks up.

We have averaged 5th on the ladder throughout the year.
Be interesting to see where we are in 5 weeks.


100% agree. I watched the replay last night and what it showed me is Geelong giving everything including some key plans to shut us down like Blicavs on Cripps. We didn't do anything we haven't done all year.

Did we lose the battle to win the war? Voss now has a clear idea of what Geelong will do to beat us.

We also have so much upside. I was there and it was as windy a game I have been to in years. We didn't handle it. We also made stupid mistakes with lack of communication not to mention poor discipline. These thinsg can be fixed easily

We also only lost by 5 goals to the top side with Cripps McKay Weitering Young Docherty well below their best.

I'm disappointed to lose but I see LOTS of upside. This week we get back Pittonet & McGovern. Soon Marchbank and hopefully Williams & Boyd. They are very important players to us and our structure. I expect a big bounce back this week


Am I being harsh when I say excuses should not be accepted?
I mean we lost to Richmond because we didn't handle the rain.
We lost to Geelong because we didn't handle the wind.
Is it OK for a developing side to make such excuses?


I see it more as issues we need to address. When learning a new style and still getting know each other and how we play things aren't automatic. Happens with every good side on teh way up. Connection and confidence takes time. As long as we keep improving and address these issues I am okay with it.

To think where we were this time last year we have come a long long way


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:04 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?


Since I get all their games live on ch7 up here, I can assure you GWS are at their peahearted worst lately, and would need to seriously lift several levels to have a chance against us at Marvel. I wouldn't stress over it. Of course anything can happen, but it would take a form reversal from both clubs.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:08 pm 
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We’re 7th now … bottom part of the 8 … just as Blueman predicted … we’re exactly where we need to be … lol

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:38 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
I am not sure I want LOB getting back in on account his replacement is going to be rubbed out.
And in any event I believe LOB didn't play the second half in the VFL?
Was he injured?
By all accounts he was great early.

But I still think it is good to make em earn it.
Setterfield might be a bit vanilla but by jingoes 40 touches is a fair effort.
And against his old side GWS.

I guess only the inner sanctum know how much LOB wants it?


LOB probably showed enough to confirm his ability to play 1s, held off to avoid injury.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:42 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
We’re 7th now … bottom part of the 8 … just as Blueman predicted … we’re exactly where we need to be … lol


We got carried away at 8-2, thinking we could seriously win the flag.

Bottom of the 8 is our level.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:33 pm 
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In: Pittonet, Setterfield, Dow, O'Brien
Out: Hayes, Durdin, Motlop, Cottrell

B: Newman, Young, Saad
HB: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
C: Setterfield, Cripps, O'Brien
HF: Newnes, Curnow, Cerra
F: Silvagni, McKay, Fisher
Foll: Pittonet, Hewitt, Walsh

Int: De Koning, Stocker, Dow, Kennedy

The small forwards don't do enough for me. Time to get some seasoned bodies into the contest.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:44 pm 
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I'd keep Motlop in, he's developing nicely and has form. Giving Durdin a spell is a good idea but I'd want another small forward to take his place rather than a repurposed mid or wing, so I'd keep him in until Martin or Owies is ready.

I seem to recall Plow getting towelled by Toby Greene last time, or is my memory failing me again? If I'm right, I'd consider a return for Gov if fit. Not exactly an obvious matchup, I'm thinking more of a fight fire with fire approach, make Toby put in a defensive shift to stop Gov's rebound skills.

Setters and LOB for Hayes and Cottrell I can go with. Cottrell as medisub.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:08 pm 
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Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned


The right arm wasn't pinned.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:14 pm 
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GreatEx wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Are we gonna blow it by dropping a game against GWS and leaving the door open?


Since I get all their games live on ch7 up here, I can assure you GWS are at their peahearted worst lately, and would need to seriously lift several levels to have a chance against us at Marvel. I wouldn't stress over it. Of course anything can happen, but it would take a form reversal from both clubs.


Love it :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:16 pm 
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Juddy&theKruezers wrote:
We’re 7th now … bottom part of the 8 … just as Blueman predicted … we’re exactly where we need to be … lol


But I want to be first :donk:


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:38 pm 
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Carlton will not challenge Hayes two match suspension

I think that is WRONG


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 3:41 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
Carlton will not challenge Hayes two match suspension

I think that is WRONG


Gee didn't look like much but I guess it is about the outcome and he was subbed off


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:10 pm 
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Carlton will not challenge Hayes two match suspension

I think that is WRONG


Probably gives us an easy out to drop him without dropping him. His ball use was woeful. Not even miss kicks but just bombing in long to Geelong players 30m in the clear. Bush league stuff


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