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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:42 pm 
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Ken Hunter

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Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.

I haven't seen either incident with Hayes and Docherty, too angry to watch the replay.
First I have heard of the Docherty one, not sure when it happened.
We can't dish up rubbish like last night again, have to win this game or we will unlikely make the finals.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:48 pm 
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Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
O'Brien for Hayes should be a given.
Plowman for Gov. If it weren't at Marvel, I'd probably drop Newman instead.
Rest Kennedy and JSOS for Martin and Pitto

Would like to get Owies back in. Think you either play Motlop as the sub or do you make bigger structural changes with Cottrell and Newnes who were both poor.



I cant see that happening.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:50 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:57 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
Rod Spooky Galt wrote:
O'Brien for Hayes should be a given.
Plowman for Gov. If it weren't at Marvel, I'd probably drop Newman instead.
Rest Kennedy and JSOS for Martin and Pitto

Would like to get Owies back in. Think you either play Motlop as the sub or do you make bigger structural changes with Cottrell and Newnes who were both poor.



I cant see that happening.


...ok?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:54 pm 
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rhino27 wrote:
Setters in for Hayes.
Gov for Plow.
Pitto back in but in terms of team balance not sure who for.
Josh Kelly will miss for them


why will Josh Kelly miss?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:57 pm 
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TheDenominator wrote:
rhino27 wrote:
Setters in for Hayes.
Gov for Plow.
Pitto back in but in terms of team balance not sure who for.
Josh Kelly will miss for them


why will Josh Kelly miss?


Concussion


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:11 pm 
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My side

B: Docherty Young McGovern
HB: Cottrell Weitering Saad
C: Hayes Cripps O’Brien
HF: Cerra McKay Fisher
F: Silvagni Curnow Motlop
Foll: Pittonet Hewett Walsh
Int: Kennedy Setterfield Newman TDK (Plowman)

Cottrell I would play on Greene. Allows Docherty & Saad freedom
Pittonet McGovern Setterfield O’Brien back in
Durdin dropped. Needs to go back and work on a few things
Stocker is NOT a defender. Play him in the middle in the 2s
Plowman as sub. I hate younger players as sub. They need games.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:34 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned and was subsequently subbed out due to concussion protocols. It’s nit the intent, it’s the result that will have him rubbed out, plus the Carlton excess will apply to any penalty.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:02 pm 
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Please no umpire Williamson. Absolutely garbage every time we get him


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:56 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned and was subsequently subbed out due to concussion protocols. It’s nit the intent, it’s the result that will have him rubbed out, plus the Carlton excess will apply to any penalty.

If they want to punish the club, they’ll let him off.

Good reason why he’s only played 13 games at 27.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:28 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned and was subsequently subbed out due to concussion protocols. It’s nit the intent, it’s the result that will have him rubbed out, plus the Carlton excess will apply to any penalty.


It’ll be a good opportunity for the AFL to make a statement before the finals.

He’s flowered


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:17 pm 
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DesEnglish wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned and was subsequently subbed out due to concussion protocols. It’s nit the intent, it’s the result that will have him rubbed out, plus the Carlton excess will apply to any penalty.


It’ll be a good opportunity for the AFL to make a statement before the finals.

He’s flowered


Of course if a name player does the exact same thing a week before or during finals, it'll be a fine at most.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:48 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:14 pm 
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Have to appeal on principle. No slinging, no dumping action, not dangerous. An unfortunate football accident and no more.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:20 pm 
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Yeah, I don't rate that as two weeks and put it in the ball park of young being cited against North.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:52 am 
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:56 am 
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I reckon it could go like this

In: Pittonet, O’Brien
Out: TDK (managed/injured), Hayes (suspended)


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:02 am 
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MPH78 wrote:
Felt tonight was a dress rehearsal for the big stuff and we failed miserably.

Didn’t handle their heat and pressure. So fumbly and unsure with extremely poor skill execution to say the least.

Couldn’t stick a tackle to save ourselves. Tonight we were soft. So so soft. Not just our ‘bottom six’ either.

If tonight was an indication of who we can rely upon IF we make finals, we have a long, long way to go.

Very, very flat.


I am totally with you.

I think a lot of people both fans here and media experts have grossly overrated us.

There were fans who seemed very confident we would beat Geelong. I certainly wasn't.
And how's the nerd on Fox Footy saying we are the second best team in the comp !

We have improved but every single time we have an opportunity to go equal top we blow it.
We continually fail to take the next step.

Don't get me wrong, it is what it is.
We simply aren't that good yet.

It has been a yoyo past few months.
Opportunity to go up with the top group lost.
Then we have to beat a lower or middle ladder side to stay in contention with the top teams.

The worry I have is chances are this sequence of wlwlwlwl will be broken at some point and it'll either be by us finally beating a top side and going equal top (if only for a couple days) or by us losing to a lower or middle table side.

If anything the pressure is on us now this weekend.

We simply have to win otherwise we suddenly put ourselves at risk of missing finals.
Lose and teams like the Dogs etc have a glint in their eye as they see a team inside the 8 is vulnerable and has opened the door.

What's more likely?
We rise with the top teams.
Or we drop a game we ought to win and become vulnerable.

We should win this weekend, right?
But we have failed to be consistent for 2 months now, not being able to win 2 games on the trot over this period.
Shock losses happen every weekend.

Sorry everyone I am not trying to be negative for the sake of it, I just don't know if I trust this side and I think the pressure is actually building on us and I do worry we are a chance to blow one of these should-win games.

I hope I am wrong.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:10 am 
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sinbagger wrote:
carntheblues wrote:
sinbagger wrote:
Wasn’t Cottrell tagging Smith? I thought he did a good job?

I thought Newness was pretty flaky too.

Hayes and Docherty will probably both be suspended for dangerous tackle and choosing to bump the head instead of tackling respectively.

TDK’s shoulder also looked sore.

I’d look at bringing in Guv and Pittonet for two of these three depending how the tribunal and injuries turn out.

Owies should return via vfl.



I saw the Hayes tackle and not sure why he would be rubbed out. It wasn't a sling tackle.
I don't remember the Docherty bump?


Hayes will be rubbed out because the player he tackled knocked his head on the ground due to having his arms pinned and was subsequently subbed out due to concussion protocols. It’s nit the intent, it’s the result that will have him rubbed out, plus the Carlton excess will apply to any penalty.


Except he was flailing his free arm and had gone limp to try to draw a holding free, which he was rightfully awarded.

Deciding penalties based on outcome vs intent is what the MRO does though.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:18 am 
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This says it all IMO

AFL website talk more about us trying to finish top 4 than us maybe missing the 8

https://www.afl.com.au/news/798736/the- ... lide-again

I reckon top 4 is a total pipe dream given our form the past 2 months


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