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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:00 pm 
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I'm not surprised at all. Walsh goes from half forward into the midfield rotation so he takes over Cerra's role.
Cottrell showed last week that he can play a half forward/wing role and hit the scoreboard so he deserves the spot.
As for failing Dow, give me a break. Early on he received constant opportunities whilst he had massive holes in his game.
We're fortunate enough now that we can leave him in VFL until he develops his game sufficiently. At the moment he wins the contested ball well but he does nothing with it. In the AFL he doesn't have sufficient confidence in his own disposal to kick the ball so he handballs to the closest player and transfers the pressure to them.

He has several AFL talents (power, great hands, reads the contested ball extremely well) but he has significant deficiencies as well. He doesn't contribute outside the stoppages, can't read the open play and he offers no value in any other position.
If he is diligent and has the right attitude, the coaches will turn him into a quality AFL player but he needs to keep working on his weaknesses.

And for the record, I'm not potting the guy. I've been a consistent supporter of him when most others gave up. But I believe I'm realistic about what he needs to do to build a career in the AFL.


Thanks BV. I appreciate your input very much and I had no thought at all that you are potting him with your comment. Now I think about it more, its a very balanced and good view, which I also agree with. The conundrum is where to for Dow? It seems his papers may well and truly be stamped?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 8:19 pm 
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Who comes in at the 15 minute mark of the first quarter?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:11 pm 
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Unreal ... P. Dow ... pack your bags. Selectors have failed this boy.
I think we badly needed Dow this week as a replacement for Cerra. Our midfield struggled against Essendon*** ... it has not been strengthened for this match.

The question now is what can we get for him?


I don’t see it that way. I see an unchanged side apart from injury. Cottrell did really well replacing Cerra so deserved to stay. Dow is first emergency and probably sub. Fair enough for a winning side


We were thrashed at the centre bounce last week by ESSESNDON ... lol. Cerra left a gaping hole and Cottrell did not fill it. What have the selectors done to help that situation? :hitcomputer: :banghead: :donk:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:30 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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Unreal ... P. Dow ... pack your bags. Selectors have failed this boy.
I think we badly needed Dow this week as a replacement for Cerra. Our midfield struggled against Essendon**** ... it has not been strengthened for this match.

The question now is what can we get for him?


I don’t see it that way. I see an unchanged side apart from injury. Cottrell did really well replacing Cerra so deserved to stay. Dow is first emergency and probably sub. Fair enough for a winning side


We were thrashed at the centre bounce last week by ESSESNDON ... lol. Cerra left a gaping hole and Cottrell did not fill it. What have the selectors done to help that situation? :hitcomputer: :banghead: :donk:


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I'm not surprised at all. Walsh goes from half forward into the midfield rotation so he takes over Cerra's role.
Cottrell showed last week that he can play a half forward/wing role and hit the scoreboard so he deserves the spot.
As for failing Dow, give me a break. Early on he received constant opportunities whilst he had massive holes in his game.
We're fortunate enough now that we can leave him in VFL until he develops his game sufficiently. At the moment he wins the contested ball well but he does nothing with it. In the AFL he doesn't have sufficient confidence in his own disposal to kick the ball so he handballs to the closest player and transfers the pressure to them.

He has several AFL talents (power, great hands, reads the contested ball extremely well) but he has significant deficiencies as well. He doesn't contribute outside the stoppages, can't read the open play and he offers no value in any other position.
If he is diligent and has the right attitude, the coaches will turn him into a quality AFL player but he needs to keep working on his weaknesses.

And for the record, I'm not potting the guy. I've been a consistent supporter of him when most others gave up. But I believe I'm realistic about what he needs to do to build a career in the AFL.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:36 pm 
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The mids against Essendon* were Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt, Cerra and Walsh (played significant time in the midfield). Cottrell came in for Cerra. As far as I can see nothing has changed. The dream that Walsh could move into the midfield was already realised in this match.

Selectors have stuffed up again and have sent a message to players that you can play well in the reserves all year but will go unrewarded even when the opportunity is apparent. Selectors need to be held accountable as they have sent a terrible message to the rest of the playing list. Its clear that Dow is not a favourite and he should start packing his bags.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 9:56 pm 
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The mids against Essendon** were Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt, Cerra and Walsh (played significant time in the midfield). Cottrell came in for Cerra. As far as I can see nothing has changed. The dream that Walsh could move into the midfield was already realised in this match.

Selectors have stuffed up again and have sent a message to players that you can play well in the reserves all year but will go unrewarded even when the opportunity is apparent. Selectors need to be held accountable as they have sent a terrible message to the rest of the playing list. Its clear that Dow is not a favourite and he should start packing his bags.

Cottrell deserves a game just as much or more than Dow does.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:01 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
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Unreal ... P. Dow ... pack your bags. Selectors have failed this boy.
I think we badly needed Dow this week as a replacement for Cerra. Our midfield struggled against Essendon**** ... it has not been strengthened for this match.

The question now is what can we get for him?


I don’t see it that way. I see an unchanged side apart from injury. Cottrell did really well replacing Cerra so deserved to stay. Dow is first emergency and probably sub. Fair enough for a winning side


We were thrashed at the centre bounce last week by ESSESNDON ... lol. Cerra left a gaping hole and Cottrell did not fill it. What have the selectors done to help that situation? :hitcomputer: :banghead: :donk:


Rare loss in that area by our midfield and we still won. I expect Cripps Kennedy Hewett Walsh supported by Fisher to step up this week


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:22 pm 
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FarmerBlue wrote:
BigBlueWave wrote:
FarmerBlue wrote:
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Unreal ... P. Dow ... pack your bags. Selectors have failed this boy.
I think we badly needed Dow this week as a replacement for Cerra. Our midfield struggled against Essendon***** ... it has not been strengthened for this match.

The question now is what can we get for him?


I don’t see it that way. I see an unchanged side apart from injury. Cottrell did really well replacing Cerra so deserved to stay. Dow is first emergency and probably sub. Fair enough for a winning side


We were thrashed at the centre bounce last week by ESSESNDON ... lol. Cerra left a gaping hole and Cottrell did not fill it. What have the selectors done to help that situation? :hitcomputer: :banghead: :donk:


Rare loss in that area by our midfield and we still won. I expect Cripps Kennedy Hewett Walsh supported by Fisher to step up this week



We won the game but not the midfield battle. The addition of Cottrell had no effect on the midfield battle even tho Walsh played more time there. So ... No change! ... just hope for the best. Don't replace Cerra.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:51 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cottrell deserves a game just as much or more than Dow does.


Just wondering but how many games does Cottrell deserve and why doesn’t Dow deserve just as many?
IMO - one has had more chances to prove his worth than the other, so I can’t see a reason why we keep saying such a thing. I’d add Setters and Kemp and another 5 others into that bucket.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:54 pm 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
We won the game but not the midfield battle. The addition of Cottrell had no effect on the midfield battle even tho Walsh played more time there. So ... No change! ... just hope for the best. Don't replace Cerra.


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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Cottrell deserves a game just as much or more than Dow does.


Just wondering but how many games does Cottrell deserve and why doesn’t Dow deserve just as many?
IMO - one has had more chances to prove his worth than the other, so I can’t see a reason why we keep saying such a thing. I’d add Setters and Kemp and another 5 others into that bucket.



Yep ...

The selectors are not rewarding players based on performance ... or rather they are rewarding some and shunning others even tho there might be a dire need for their selection. The selectors are really doing the list a disservice ... sending the wrong message.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:29 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
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Cottrell deserves a game just as much or more than Dow does.


Just wondering but how many games does Cottrell deserve and why doesn’t Dow deserve just as many?
IMO - one has had more chances to prove his worth than the other, so I can’t see a reason why we keep saying such a thing.

I don’t quite follow you. If you’re saying Cottrell has had more opportunities than Dow, then that’s just not true. Dow has played about 60 games, which is more than double the opportunities Cottrell has had.

My comment you’ve quoted was in response to a poster saying that the selectors don’t reward those who work hard for their opportunity. From all accounts, Cottrell is an outstanding trainer and clubman - and he has shown this season he can contribute at the highest level.

Just for the record - I am not a Dow basher nor do I think Cottrell is the next Judd…

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:59 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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aboynamedsue wrote:
Cottrell deserves a game just as much or more than Dow does.


Just wondering but how many games does Cottrell deserve and why doesn’t Dow deserve just as many?
IMO - one has had more chances to prove his worth than the other, so I can’t see a reason why we keep saying such a thing.

I don’t quite follow you. If you’re saying Cottrell has had more opportunities than Dow, then that’s just not true. Dow has played about 60 games, which is more than double the opportunities Cottrell has had.

My comment you’ve quoted was in response to a poster saying that the selectors don’t reward those who work hard for their opportunity. From all accounts, Cottrell is an outstanding trainer and clubman - and he has shown this season he can contribute at the highest level.

Just for the record - I am not a Dow basher nor do I think Cottrell is the next Judd…


I’m not worried or discussing previous years due to previous coaches, so for me, it’s clean slate this year under Bossy.

I’m not sure of the numbers but I would guess Cottrell has played 10 games and mostly as a sub. IMO - he has been given plenty of opportunities to cement a spot. Now again, IMO - he has mostly failed and when he puts in a bad one, he hurts us, ie, Collingwood game. I personally fail to see what he adds to the team as I feel talk of his gut running is overrated. But that’s me as see Walsh’s or Hewitts or Kennedy’s gut running as pivotal to our team.

On the flip side Dow had one game and was sent back to the VFL immediately.
Now anyone who knows me, has probably heard me saying one of my pet hates, is bringing in a individual, especially a kid, and ‘not’ giving them a block of games, ie. 3-4. Motlop is a very good example of a kid given 3 or 4 games, even though some would argue his last 2 weren’t up to the expected level.

Setterfield is another who deserves a run through the middle and IMO had the runs on the board to get a game this week with Cerra out. I also appreciate that he had a good block early on in the year but was played mostly wing, which I felt he did well and we could have persisted with it but the coaches saw different and I can only assume they weren’t happy with some parts of his output. No issues but I hope we give him a chance to run through the middle for a few games and see his output. Cerra’s injury gave our coaches and opportunity to try either him or Dow for a couple of weeks.

Thankfully I have faith in Voss, imagine if I didn’t.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:20 am 
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I am also surprised that Dow (or Setterfield) have not been included.
However, I’m pretty sure the MC are not just doing ‘no change and hope for the best’.
Two things would be at play:
1) what is the best team/strategy we can put on the park to beat the Tigers
2) what is in the best interests of the club in the longer term

There must be something about Dow, Setterfield that the coach/MC are not thrilled with that is related to one of the two points above.
They have a pretty good track record so far.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:19 am 
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I wouldn't be surprised if, somehow they fit Kemp into tonight's side even as the medical sub. Just a feeling.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 7:48 am 
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I am also surprised that Dow (or Setterfield) have not been included.
However, I’m pretty sure the MC are not just doing ‘no change and hope for the best’.
Two things would be at play:
1) what is the best team/strategy we can put on the park to beat the Tigers
2) what is in the best interests of the club in the longer term

There must be something about Dow, Setterfield that the coach/MC are not thrilled with that is related to one of the two points above.
They have a pretty good track record so far.


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Overlay all that with that Cottrell came on as sub last week and played a pretty good game (85% tog) so would have been harder to leave out.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 8:04 am 
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BigBlueWave wrote:
The mids against Essendon** were Cripps, Kennedy, Hewitt, Cerra and Walsh (played significant time in the midfield). Cottrell came in for Cerra. As far as I can see nothing has changed. The dream that Walsh could move into the midfield was already realised in this match.

Selectors have stuffed up again and have sent a message to players that you can play well in the reserves all year but will go unrewarded even when the opportunity is apparent. Selectors need to be held accountable as they have sent a terrible message to the rest of the playing list. Its clear that Dow is not a favourite and he should start packing his bags.


Yeah , we did get flogged in the guts by the Bombers . And prior to that when did it happen ? Our midfield has been superb all year and is the major reason why we are where we are . Jeez " Wave ", everyone is gonna have an off day . Aint gonna happen two weeks in a row . That spray by Voss at three quarter time is still ringing' in there ears . I'm tipping our midfield is gonna monster the Tigers and be the driver of an emphatic win tonight .

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How do we know what is expected of Dow and Setters? We know they are getting plenty of possessions but what about blocking/tackling? What about running defensively? What about selecting the right options instead of poor options?

I assume the coaches have a blueprint of what they want a player to do and I'm guessing at this stage Dow and Setters are not getting aspects of that right.

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How do we know what is expected of Dow and Setters? We know they are getting plenty of possessions but what about blocking/tackling? What about running defensively? What about selecting the right options instead of poor options?

I assume the coaches have a blueprint of what they want a player to do and I'm guessing at this stage Dow and Setters are not getting aspects of that right.

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