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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:08 pm 
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I think the greatest hurdle to overcome with guys like Parker & Guthrie is that they have sacrificed their earnings over the years to bring blue-chip players into their clubs.

I don’t think we would get away with similar money plus one year.

I suspect both clubs will give them the longer term deals that they’re after, probably back-ended, given the salaries that are due to come off their books.


On reflection your prediction is believable.

Loyal servants, and the opportunity to be one club players.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:13 pm 
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I’d go Hewett and Parker as FAs and take 6 to the draft


Hewett is gettable. No idea at what cost. He looked tough in the Final.

Like Crusader suggested Parker and Guthrie are likely to remain, but hey if we could get either...Parker's my preference. He's a year younger than Guthrie.

The risk with Parker is he's been in battle on the front line for a long time, and may be too banged up to last another 3 years. Hence FA is the real attraction.

Easy to say go to the draft instead of Cerra, but which player, or type of player do you want or expect for pick 6 which becomes pick 8 after FS?

I'm finding it hard to see what those young bodies will become after pick 4 or 5.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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DesEnglish wrote:
I’d go Hewett and Parker as FAs and take 6 to the draft


Hewett is gettable. No idea at what cost. He looked tough in the Final.

Like Crusader suggested Parker and Guthrie are likely to remain, but hey if we could get either...Parker's my preference. He's a year younger than Guthrie.

The risk with Parker is he's been in battle on the front line for a long time, and may be too banged up to last another 3 years. Hence FA is the real attraction.

Easy to say go to the draft instead of Cerra, but which player, or type of player do you want or expect for pick 6 which becomes pick 8 after FS?

I'm finding it hard to see what those young bodies will become after pick 4 or 5.


Parker, Hewett and Guthrie all offer things we need.
And if we could trade in Cerra too, it'll be a good mix of old and young.
But then we have to think, do we max out our cash and have a potential hole in our list with two first rounders gone over two years?

We might have to flip a coin as we will be damned if we do and damned if we don't.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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bondiblue wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
I’d go Hewett and Parker as FAs and take 6 to the draft


Hewett is gettable. No idea at what cost. He looked tough in the Final.

Like Crusader suggested Parker and Guthrie are likely to remain, but hey if we could get either...Parker's my preference. He's a year younger than Guthrie.

The risk with Parker is he's been in battle on the front line for a long time, and may be too banged up to last another 3 years. Hence FA is the real attraction.

Easy to say go to the draft instead of Cerra, but which player, or type of player do you want or expect for pick 6 which becomes pick 8 after FS?

I'm finding it hard to see what those young bodies will become after pick 4 or 5.


Parker, Hewett and Guthrie all offer things we need.
And if we could trade in Cerra too, it'll be a good mix of old and young.
But then we have to think, do we max out our cash and have a potential hole in our list with two first rounders gone over two years?

We might have to flip a coin as we will be damned if we do and damned if we don't.


2016-2019 we drafted 11 x 1st round players not including Setterfield, Kennedy who are same age and 1st round picks
2016-2019 we drafted 4 x 2nd round players
2016-2019 we drafted 2 x 3rd round players
2016-2019 we drafted another 5 kids from the draft.

In 2020 we drafted Durdin Carrol Mirkov Boyd Parks and traded for Fogarty

There's plenty of youth on our list.

Missing out on first rounders in 2020 and 2021 for more mature players hopefully gives our list a better mix.

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 Post subject: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:16 pm 
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All good above it a little fanciful. We also need to be thinking of a kpd somewhere in the mix


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 1:56 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Crusader wrote:
I think the greatest hurdle to overcome with guys like Parker & Guthrie is that they have sacrificed their earnings over the years to bring blue-chip players into their clubs.

I don’t think we would get away with similar money plus one year.

I suspect both clubs will give them the longer term deals that they’re after, probably back-ended, given the salaries that are due to come off their books.


On reflection your prediction is believable.

Loyal servants, and the opportunity to be one club players.

It’d take a rare set of circumstances to get a senior player to leave a club where the window is ajar, if not open, for one that has been fairly pathetic for most of their playing career.

Don’t get me wrong though, you absolutely make the call to their people & present the hard sell.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:18 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
I’d go Hewett and Parker as FAs and take 6 to the draft


Hewett is gettable. No idea at what cost. He looked tough in the Final.

Like Crusader suggested Parker and Guthrie are likely to remain, but hey if we could get either...Parker's my preference. He's a year younger than Guthrie.

The risk with Parker is he's been in battle on the front line for a long time, and may be too banged up to last another 3 years. Hence FA is the real attraction.

Easy to say go to the draft instead of Cerra, but which player, or type of player do you want or expect for pick 6 which becomes pick 8 after FS?

I'm finding it hard to see what those young bodies will become after pick 4 or 5.


It’s more that I doubt we could afford Cerra with those two and I like the idea of improving the midfield without shelling out $650k and at minimum our first pick.

As for who I’d like us to draft? I’m limited to screen recruitment with very limited footage and reliant on others views, but I like the sound of Rachele. Best kick in the draft should always be a desirable attribute


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 2:51 pm 
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hewett and p6 from national draft ok


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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AFL website saying that JSOS and Kemp about to sign 2 year deals.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2021 9:25 pm 
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Parker just won the Swans B&F... so...


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:51 am 
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Very happy with Hewett, P6 for Adam Cerra and trade 2022 1st and a player for a quality young Ruckman and we’re in sustainable position, probably stopped the rot.
I’d try to snare Riccardi too a young versatile 195cm key player.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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bmaurizio wrote:
Very happy with Hewett, P6 for Adam Cerra and trade 2022 1st and a player for a quality young Ruckman and we’re in sustainable position, probably stopped the rot.
I’d try to snare Riccardi too a young versatile 195cm key player.


If we can pull off the above ... I agree.

We are not that far off.

Riccardi gives us a tall versatility: forward and back.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:00 am 
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Patrick Lipinski will request a trade from the Western Bulldogs to either Collingwood or Carlton later this month, according to the Herald Sun.

He's been on our radar all year.

Peripheral in a top team with a lot of depth for his type.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 11:15 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
Patrick Lipinski will request a trade from the Western Bulldogs to either Collingwood or Carlton later this month, according to the Herald Sun.

He's been on our radar all year.

Peripheral in a top team with a lot of depth for his type.

Just read that.
Seriously why would any player pick Carlton at the moment?
Hopefully the coaching situation is sorted soon as we go into trade week.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 1:52 pm 
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Why they would is that they see the potential with our list and think there is a great opportunity in our midfield compared with Collingwood
Perhaps managers and players are not as hysterical about the situation as bottom feeders that are the media or the people who see Armageddon at every turn

Like it or not players since about 2019 want to come to Carlton and that is where Teague needs to get some credit

It’s not all doom and gloom we will get a coach hopefully young or old they are good with good assistants and a strong administration and board and when in March next year when we are at the G with 80 K at the first match against Richmond this will be water under the bridge and I won’t give a continental that the naysayers and Media said that the process of getting a coach to their liking wasn’t carried out in September 3021


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 3:52 pm 
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Plenty of talk around mids

I would be equally focussing attention on KP (defenders) in the system looking for opportunity


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2021
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:35 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Plenty of talk around mids

I would be equally focussing attention on KP (defenders) in the system looking for opportunity

What would be your sales pitch? ‘Hey man, there’s an opportunity for you to do exactly what you’re doing at your current club, except you’ll be behind the best 1-2 combo in the league. Play your cards right & by the time this contract is up, there might be an opening.’

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