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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:01 pm 
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Disagree. That logic doesn’t add up for me. DT is dead man walking....a long and painful - but well paid- walk into a another clubs assistant coaching role. The club are playing Minnie Mouse until Clarko makes a decision. Clarko, or Lyon. That simple.


Lyon isn't coming, they've gone cold on him it seems. Clarko could well be here though very soon. The logic is obvious. You don't keep a bloke around if you plan on sacking him. No business does. They rip the band aid straight off. He's certainly not doing exit interviews talking to players discussing roles for the next season etc if they plan on sacking him. Couldn't be more obvious that if Clarko isn't coach Teague still will be. Can't twist a narrative to suit what you want unfortunately.

Going by tonight's news articles though sounds like Clarko is getting very much closer.

Ian Aitken his senior assistant?...lol!

Clearly you are becoming a Walsh , with no disrespect

I wiil guarantee 10000000000 % Teague is done so we can all start talking about him in pretence , so please stop saying he will be sticking around if clarko says no

That’s being ludicrous...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:06 pm 
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Would Teague stick around if Clarko says yes?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:06 pm 
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https://t.co/7ZojRt2fiB

Anyone see this from the Age. They reckon we may get some info by tomorrow evening. Also club insiders say the club is not happy about comments made about Cripps.

Hawthorn are going to the AFL as they dont want to pay Clarkson the full settlement if he accepts another job.

This is the pertinent part of the article for mine:

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Sources familiar with the situation have told The Age the review had always planned to provide results and advice to the football department before any recommendations were undertaken or changes made.


The media got it into its head that everything would be decided and announced yesterday (they may have got that idea from comments made by Teague after the game on Saturday night) but that was the day the seniors leaders were being advised on the review findings.

It’s completely appropriate for the board and the football department to take a few days (at least) to discuss the recommendations, especially if they relate to a significant restructure involving potentially complex budget & HR issues etc which need to be considered.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:10 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Disagree. That logic doesn’t add up for me. DT is dead man walking....a long and painful - but well paid- walk into a another clubs assistant coaching role. The club are playing Minnie Mouse until Clarko makes a decision. Clarko, or Lyon. That simple.


Lyon isn't coming, they've gone cold on him it seems. Clarko could well be here though very soon. The logic is obvious. You don't keep a bloke around if you plan on sacking him. No business does. They rip the band aid straight off. He's certainly not doing exit interviews talking to players discussing roles for the next season etc if they plan on sacking him. Couldn't be more obvious that if Clarko isn't coach Teague still will be. Can't twist a narrative to suit what you want unfortunately.

Going by tonight's news articles though sounds like Clarko is getting very much closer.

Ian Aitken his senior assistant?...lol!

Clearly you are becoming a Walsh , with no disrespect

I wiil guarantee 10000000000 % Teague is done so we can all start talking about him in pretence , so please stop saying he will be sticking around if clarko says no

That’s being ludicrous...


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:16 pm 
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Exactly ABNS it is an entirely appropriate and measured and methodical process by a board in assessing a report that effectively advocates fundamental structure change to most of the organisation and particularly the engine room of the club

As if any nuffies such as Morris Browne Pooper Ralph Edmund Healy one have led an organisation effecting significant change management or have the intelligence to understand that is what is going on here
They are essentially dumb football journalists for goodness sake if they understood these sort of things they wouldn’t be reporting on football


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:17 pm 
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Due process is cumbersome but very necessary , given the chaos our club has endured.
Truly has been a baptism of fire for our president , but Luke has been steadfast and resolute.
I’m awaiting confirmation tomorrow , hopefully no last minute surprises , it’s been a very long time coming . Go Baggers

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:23 pm 
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Would Teague stick around if Clarko says yes?

Yes cause he has locked his door and refuses to come out

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:27 pm 
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bmaurizio wrote:
Due process is cumbersome but very necessary , given the chaos our club has endured.
Truly has been a baptism of fire for our president , but Luke has been steadfast and resolute.
I’m awaiting confirmation tomorrow , hopefully no last minute surprises , it’s been a very long time coming . Go Baggers

I like that last line , it has been a long time coming

A president who doesn’t dance to the media’s beat ,,,

The media head is exploding because he won’t give them nothing and now they Cerra is coming warch this space , when the media will say that we have to give up 5 1st round picks for him ...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:47 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Exactly ABNS it is an entirely appropriate and measured and methodical process by a board in assessing a report that effectively advocates fundamental structure change to most of the organisation and particularly the engine room of the club

As if any nuffies such as Morris Browne Pooper Ralph Edmund Healy one have led an organisation effecting significant change management or have the intelligence to understand that is what is going on here
They are essentially dumb football journalists for goodness sake if they understood these sort of things they wouldn’t be reporting on football


Frank, I agree with you about the journalists.

However, an experienced and sensible view of organisational change would suggest this has been handled appallingly.

The review agenda was the right one. External advisors was sensible.

I know the PWC process very well. The handling of this situation will be used as a useful case study on how to ‘lose’ the comms game which is a critical component of org change.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 9:59 pm 
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london blue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Exactly ABNS it is an entirely appropriate and measured and methodical process by a board in assessing a report that effectively advocates fundamental structure change to most of the organisation and particularly the engine room of the club

As if any nuffies such as Morris Browne Pooper Ralph Edmund Healy one have led an organisation effecting significant change management or have the intelligence to understand that is what is going on here
They are essentially dumb football journalists for goodness sake if they understood these sort of things they wouldn’t be reporting on football


Frank, I agree with you about the journalists.

However, an experienced and sensible view of organisational change would suggest this has been handled appallingly.

The review agenda was the right one. External advisors was sensible.

I know the PWC process very well. The handling of this situation will be used as a useful case study on how to ‘lose’ the comms game which is a critical component of org change.


LB how should the Club have handled the Comms Game?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:44 pm 
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Has the President held a press conference since the review findings were tabled?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:45 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
london blue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Exactly ABNS it is an entirely appropriate and measured and methodical process by a board in assessing a report that effectively advocates fundamental structure change to most of the organisation and particularly the engine room of the club

As if any nuffies such as Morris Browne Pooper Ralph Edmund Healy one have led an organisation effecting significant change management or have the intelligence to understand that is what is going on here
They are essentially dumb football journalists for goodness sake if they understood these sort of things they wouldn’t be reporting on football


Frank, I agree with you about the journalists.

However, an experienced and sensible view of organisational change would suggest this has been handled appallingly.

The review agenda was the right one. External advisors was sensible.

I know the PWC process very well. The handling of this situation will be used as a useful case study on how to ‘lose’ the comms game which is a critical component of org change.


LB how should the Club have handled the Comms Game?

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz, ill start by flipping it around. Luke would not have asked for the firestorm that he and the club are dealing with at the moment. A good comms game in organisational change minimises (often ahead of the game) the noise. A good comms game controls the agenda. Stakeholder management is important, professional football is highly emotive, even more important.

To answer your question more directly, i believe the club made a mistake not staying ahead of the message. After the club (perhaps Luke himself) announced the review publicly it made the mistake of having DT as the single point on comms ie the same person primarily under review. It’s a very narrow approach and triggers the scenarios they are no doubt scrambling with now.

The media does what they do. The club knows that. Its the clubs job to manage the media, manage members, manage the message to staff and players.

It’s a tough gig org change, managing communications is often the make or break.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 10:59 pm 
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Have any of you guys ever seen what these things come up with?

They usually focus on things like reporting lines, roles, responsibilities, how many direct reports are used, industry standards, whether or not hr requirements are in place, training programs, workforce development methodologies, and a whole host of stuff that most people don't know or a lot of businesses don't care about and usually aren't make or break anyway.

The public messaging makes it look like people and how well they do their job, but thats not really accurate its more about how an organisation gets a view from people external regarding what's working, what isn't and how to improve things without taking a broom through the joint.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:51 pm 
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london blue wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
london blue wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Exactly ABNS it is an entirely appropriate and measured and methodical process by a board in assessing a report that effectively advocates fundamental structure change to most of the organisation and particularly the engine room of the club

As if any nuffies such as Morris Browne Pooper Ralph Edmund Healy one have led an organisation effecting significant change management or have the intelligence to understand that is what is going on here
They are essentially dumb football journalists for goodness sake if they understood these sort of things they wouldn’t be reporting on football


Frank, I agree with you about the journalists.

However, an experienced and sensible view of organisational change would suggest this has been handled appallingly.

The review agenda was the right one. External advisors was sensible.

I know the PWC process very well. The handling of this situation will be used as a useful case study on how to ‘lose’ the comms game which is a critical component of org change.


LB how should the Club have handled the Comms Game?

Regards Cazzesman


Cazz, ill start by flipping it around. Luke would not have asked for the firestorm that he and the club are dealing with at the moment. A good comms game in organisational change minimises (often ahead of the game) the noise. A good comms game controls the agenda. Stakeholder management is important, professional football is highly emotive, even more important.

To answer your question more directly, i believe the club made a mistake not staying ahead of the message. After the club (perhaps Luke himself) announced the review publicly it made the mistake of having DT as the single point on comms ie the same person primarily under review. It’s a very narrow approach and triggers the scenarios they are no doubt scrambling with now.

The media does what they do. The club knows that. Its the clubs job to manage the media, manage members, manage the message to staff and players.

It’s a tough gig org change, managing communications is often the make or break.

Spot on.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:53 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Disagree. That logic doesn’t add up for me. DT is dead man walking....a long and painful - but well paid- walk into a another clubs assistant coaching role. The club are playing Minnie Mouse until Clarko makes a decision. Clarko, or Lyon. That simple.


Lyon isn't coming, they've gone cold on him it seems. Clarko could well be here though very soon. The logic is obvious. You don't keep a bloke around if you plan on sacking him. No business does. They rip the band aid straight off. He's certainly not doing exit interviews talking to players discussing roles for the next season etc if they plan on sacking him. Couldn't be more obvious that if Clarko isn't coach Teague still will be. Can't twist a narrative to suit what you want unfortunately.

Going by tonight's news articles though sounds like Clarko is getting very much closer.

Ian Aitken his senior assistant?...lol!

Clearly you are becoming a Walsh , with no disrespect

I wiil guarantee 10000000000 % Teague is done so we can all start talking about him in pretence , so please stop saying he will be sticking around if clarko says no

That’s being ludicrous...


sooooooo..................... what are ya saying??? :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2021 11:54 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Would Teague stick around if Clarko says yes?

Yes cause he has locked his door and refuses to come out


is walshy in there with him?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 1:12 am 
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bender wrote:
azzablue wrote:
jim wrote:
BlueJean wrote:
Disagree. That logic doesn’t add up for me. DT is dead man walking....a long and painful - but well paid- walk into a another clubs assistant coaching role. The club are playing Minnie Mouse until Clarko makes a decision. Clarko, or Lyon. That simple.


Lyon isn't coming, they've gone cold on him it seems. Clarko could well be here though very soon. The logic is obvious. You don't keep a bloke around if you plan on sacking him. No business does. They rip the band aid straight off. He's certainly not doing exit interviews talking to players discussing roles for the next season etc if they plan on sacking him. Couldn't be more obvious that if Clarko isn't coach Teague still will be. Can't twist a narrative to suit what you want unfortunately.

Going by tonight's news articles though sounds like Clarko is getting very much closer.

Ian Aitken his senior assistant?...lol!

Clearly you are becoming a Walsh , with no disrespect

I wiil guarantee 10000000000 % Teague is done so we can all start talking about him in pretence , so please stop saying he will be sticking around if clarko says no

That’s being ludicrous...


sooooooo..................... what are ya saying??? :lol:


Teague isn’t the coach next year?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 6:45 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:10 am 
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The "comms game" will be determined by wins and losses. Just as it is every other week. That's the media cycle. When you win, you're an up and coming team with a great future. When you lose, you're on the slide. Usually within the space of 7 days.
"Teague's gift" was the narrative all season, now it's poor David.
Forget trying to control the media narrative and focus on making decisions that benefit the club. If we're sitting in the top 8 next season, the conversation will be very different.

The review was needed. Calling it when we did allows us to make decisions now instead of 8 weeks down the track.
Whatever Jon Ralph or anyone else thinks about that means Jack shit to me. Do what's in the clubs long term interests. Not individuals. The club.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 8:24 am 
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bender wrote:
azzablue wrote:
CFC8795 wrote:
Would Teague stick around if Clarko says yes?

Yes cause he has locked his door and refuses to come out


is walshy in there with him?

Walsh is his human shield !! And they aren’t social distancing ..

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