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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:17 pm 
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We should be saying hallelujah finally a person who gets it is in charge Finally a leader who does not adopt a knee jerk reaction to things and a move away from amateur hour leadership .
A person who is leading but taking a methodical and measured approach to the report and who wants to get all responses to the report including the people who are integral to the footy dept being able to respond appropriately to the report before making a significant decision.

Hooray a person who has a nuanced response to an important strategic report the outcome of which will be vital to our future.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:21 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
azzablue wrote:
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St Kilda have just announced they are parting ways with certain assistant coaches and high performance chief.

What are we waiting for?
Have the board even read the review?
Are they having trouble making decisions?
Or are they just waiting to show the media who's boss?
Surely it is one of the above.

This feeble attempt to get one up on the media will backfire, just you watch.

The media can wait , Sayers wasn’t head of PWC based on making people happy !!

I really hope this guy is sleeping giant to wake this club up again …

Long way to go to show me he is different to previous nuff nuff we have had at the helm , but good start


PWC means little when he has also been on the board during a period of time when several coaches would have been sacked.

It’s about building blocks potentially, and I’m with you he was part of malt house appointment and everything that followed on from there but it does take time to get to the top , in the corporate world and footy world

It’s about building relations , and now he is on top , maybe he will different in a good way , like I said he has along way to go to get our trust but at least he is telling the media , all decisions will
Be announced when he / Board sees fit

Nothing wrong with that …


Well there is something wrong with that, the longer you wait the more likely you are to miss out on the best options.

I am all for Process, God the lack of Process is what got us into this shit in the first place.
But this is a very competitive landscape and a sense of urgency is required, surely.

It is hard to believe the board have not seen the review, met and decided what needs to be done (who should be told their time at the club is no longer needed).
That is Part A.
Part B is finding the replacements.
Part B is not contingent on Part A happening first.
Part A should happen swiftly.

And there's a respect element, not making people wait and wait for their fate to be determined.

If they want Teague's take then fair enough, but again why wouldn't they have done that sooner?
I get it, he was coaching.
But their all big boys, surely they could have got his take sooner.

Presenting to keep his job is different, and it is fair they do that post season.
But my point is that likely is all academic.

If it;'s not then maybe we are all wrong and he is a chance to keep his job.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:23 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
We should be saying hallelujah finally a person who gets it is in charge Finally a leader who does not adopt a knee jerk reaction to things and a move away from amateur hour leadership .
A person who is leading but taking a methodical and measured approach to the report and who wants to get all responses to the report including the people who are integral to the footy dept being able to respond appropriately to the report before making a significant decision.

Hooray a person who has a nuanced response to an important strategic report the outcome of which will be vital to our future.


Hooray there is at least one club who have a head start on finding replacement staff.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:26 pm 
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I'm not forming an opinion until I hear how Graham Smorgon would've handled this

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:27 pm 
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https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/23/ ... nt-review/

So Stanton had to go and ask to find out his fate.

What a joke if true.

Just go and tell them/him.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:31 pm 
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Not to rebut you Drewgirl; if a review of the FD is what it entails, then we're talking about a lot of employees, not just Teague and Brad Lloyd, et al. It may be a lengthy process.....and as few of us have said, !@#$ the media!!! :fight:

Perfectly put ,,, it’s just frustrating for us ,,

We are so bloody impatient but this is our domain for the last 20 years , we are successful at sacking coaches , we just need another win !!

Sad reality

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:32 pm 
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Maybe the club already have the replacements lined up so they can afford to be seen to take their time so fans see they are finally being thorough and going through a Process.

An exercise in PR.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:34 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
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Not to rebut you Drewgirl; if a review of the FD is what it entails, then we're talking about a lot of employees, not just Teague and Brad Lloyd, et al. It may be a lengthy process.....and as few of us have said, !@#$ the media!!! :fight:

Perfectly put ,,, it’s just frustrating for us ,,

We are so bloody impatient but this is our domain for the last 20 years , we are successful at sacking coaches , we just need another win !!

Sad reality


That is a terribly simplistic view.

This has nothing to do with wanting blood.

It has to do with the fact this is a very competitive competition and you would not want to be late getting replacements.

And it also has to do with showing respect to the staff who will no longer be.
They need time to find another job too, and the longer these decisions are drawn out the harder it might be them to find a new role.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:38 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/23/stanton-the-latest-victim-of-carltons-football-department-review/

So Stanton had to go and ask to find out his fate.

What a joke if true.

Just go and tell them/him.

And it could be inferred that Teague has thrown him under the bus also...


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:39 pm 
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Teague may do a Steven Bradbury and blame everyone else and saves himself.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:40 pm 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2021/08/23/stanton-the-latest-victim-of-carltons-football-department-review/

So Stanton had to go and ask to find out his fate.

What a joke if true.

Just go and tell them/him.

And it could be inferred that Teague has thrown him under the bus also...


Yeah , maybe.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:40 pm 
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Have to laugh.
Can close my eyes and see a line of assistant coaches outside the CEO's door one by one asking if they are needed next year, nor not.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 4:50 pm 
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Paddycripps,

No more caffeine for you today.

If you Mind @#$% all the reasons for and against the pros and cons of the do's and don'ts, if, buts and maybe's, your head just may well explode.

You need to simplify all the facts, not the desires by the media for news to broadcast. I know that for every argument one way there is a counter argument. So a few more days to sort through all the arguments will not hurt.

If the Board has not made up its mind on DT then they have to give him the right of reply for the Review findings. That will take a few days.
Maybe they initially thought Clarkson was out of reach and then all of a sudden things changed, so the Board had to pivot. Perhaps the Board thought Lyon was the one and Clarkson's Manager made a call. Who knows all the reasons.

If the Board has decided DT is gone then perhaps they are in discussions with Clarkson and/or Lyon. Either of those two could be the cause of any delay for a mulitude of Reasons. Maybe they want to see the Review Recommendations up close before committing further. Maybe they don't want to move any of the assistants on because either Clarkson or Lyon want to talk with them first. Bruce worked under Clarkson from memory.

It's a big organisation, making big decisions, on a lot of employees. Another week can't hurt. It may frustrate many, but in the long run we want the right outcome for the Club.

Regards Cazzesman

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:02 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps,

No more caffeine for you today.

If you Mind @#$% all the reasons for and against the pros and cons of the do's and don'ts, if, buts and maybe's, your head just may well explode.

You need to simplify all the facts, not the desires by the media for news to broadcast. I know that for every argument one way there is a counter argument. So a few more days to sort through all the arguments will not hurt.

If the Board has not made up its mind on DT then they have to give him the right of reply for the Review findings. That will take a few days.
Maybe they initially thought Clarkson was out of reach and then all of a sudden things changed, so the Board had to pivot. Perhaps the Board thought Lyon was the one and Clarkson's Manager made a call. Who knows all the reasons.

If the Board has decided DT is gone then perhaps they are in discussions with Clarkson and/or Lyon. Either of those two could be the cause of any delay for a mulitude of Reasons. Maybe they want to see the Review Recommendations up close before committing further. Maybe they don't want to move any of the assistants on because either Clarkson or Lyon want to talk with them first. Bruce worked under Clarkson from memory.

It's a big organisation, making big decisions, on a lot of employees. Another week can't hurt. It may frustrate many, but in the long run we want the right outcome for the Club.

Regards Cazzesman


You make some good points but "if the board have not made up their mind on DT".... really?

Look I get all that, but my view is I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have known weeks ago what they were going to do.

And Stanton having to go and ask? Really?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:05 pm 
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We all need to separate out what the Board is saying to us and to the media and what they are doing behind closed doors.
Just because they are holding off on making announcements etc... doesn't mean they are not already moving forward, e.g. on replacements.

Remember, everyone thought Buddy was headed to GWS. Turned out that he had already been in talks with Sydney for a year!


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:10 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
azzablue wrote:
TBWKTM wrote:
Not to rebut you Drewgirl; if a review of the FD is what it entails, then we're talking about a lot of employees, not just Teague and Brad Lloyd, et al. It may be a lengthy process.....and as few of us have said, !@#$ the media!!! :fight:

Perfectly put ,,, it’s just frustrating for us ,,

We are so bloody impatient but this is our domain for the last 20 years , we are successful at sacking coaches , we just need another win !!

Sad reality


That is a terribly simplistic view.

This has nothing to do with wanting blood.

It has to do with the fact this is a very competitive competition and you would not want to be late getting replacements.

And it also has to do with showing respect to the staff who will no longer be.
They need time to find another job too, and the longer these decisions are drawn out the harder it might be them to find a new role.

I was being sarcastic … but I do get your point

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 5:15 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:

You make some good points but "if the board have not made up their mind on DT".... really?

Okay say Hypothetically, in all the Moving Parts, it was only within the last 4 days they found out Clarkson might be interested after all. Maybe Clarkson said, I'm interested and by the way, I think I could work with DT as an assistant, so let me talk to him if we can sort this all out and I want to discuss this Review with him and the Board. I want to know what I am getting myself into.

Look I get all that, but my view is I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have known weeks ago what they were going to do.

As I said maybe the goalposts just moved again. It's like you want to buy house A but they won't drop the price so you plan for house B and just at the 11th hour House A drop their price. Plans change.


And Stanton having to go and ask? Really?

Is that really a big deal. Maybe he knew he was going and wanted to get his CV pout to as many clubs as he could before the silly season. Stanton Blinked. So what really. Development hasn't been the Clubs strongest point.




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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:11 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Paddycripps,

No more caffeine for you today.

If you Mind @#$% all the reasons for and against the pros and cons of the do's and don'ts, if, buts and maybe's, your head just may well explode.

You need to simplify all the facts, not the desires by the media for news to broadcast. I know that for every argument one way there is a counter argument. So a few more days to sort through all the arguments will not hurt.

If the Board has not made up its mind on DT then they have to give him the right of reply for the Review findings. That will take a few days.
Maybe they initially thought Clarkson was out of reach and then all of a sudden things changed, so the Board had to pivot. Perhaps the Board thought Lyon was the one and Clarkson's Manager made a call. Who knows all the reasons.

If the Board has decided DT is gone then perhaps they are in discussions with Clarkson and/or Lyon. Either of those two could be the cause of any delay for a mulitude of Reasons. Maybe they want to see the Review Recommendations up close before committing further. Maybe they don't want to move any of the assistants on because either Clarkson or Lyon want to talk with them first. Bruce worked under Clarkson from memory.

It's a big organisation, making big decisions, on a lot of employees. Another week can't hurt. It may frustrate many, but in the long run we want the right outcome for the Club.

Regards Cazzesman


You make some good points but "if the board have not made up their mind on DT".... really?

Look I get all that, but my view is I find it hard to believe they wouldn't have known weeks ago what they were going to do.

And Stanton having to go and ask? Really?

I think they would've had an idea of what they needed to do, but probably wanted the review and meetings to back it all up.
The fact they have talked to Teague today and nothing has been announced could be because of a couple of things:
1. Waiting to hear from Clarkson.
2. Waiting to see if Teague is still a viable option after their meeting.
3. Talking to Teague in the event option 1 is activated to see if he still wants to remain at the club in an assistant coaching role.

There are to many variables to jump the gun and we are all getting miss information from the media because they need to have an agenda.
As for Stanton, it'd be interesting to hear the real story of what has happened and not a journalist beat up to get some click baits.

Edit: I just read Cazz response. What he said too.


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2021 6:11 pm 
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CK95 wrote:
I think as a general comment, moving a coach on is never easy & always, seriously always, has some sections of supporters and/or media claiming it was handled terribly.


Yep. Even more so these days with the 24hr media circus following the coach and club's every move and looking for the negative in absolutely everything they report.

Imagine Caroline Wilson frothing at the mouth fantasising of how many times she can mention Carlton and disgraceful in the same sentence tonight....

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