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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 6:46 pm 
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Elliott did redact our club but being in a funk for 30 years thereafter takes some doing

Since then always looking for the messiah on or off the field directionless gutless someone has to pull this joint in line
Cronyism at the club rampant since Collo left with vested fat and lazy interests using club as a plaything

Hopefully Sayers is the man god help us if he isn’t


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:10 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Elliott [REDACTED] this club up in so many ways its not funny.


Pigs arrrrseeee
Actually totally agree
The remnants are still there
To even think that this review is not about the board is hidden from the supporters is very John Elliott
When will this club learn from its mistakes


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:13 pm 
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Elliot was a typical 80s tycoon bufoon.

But one thing he did get right is the Salary Cap is in fact illegal as you can not cap a persons earnings potential.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:36 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
jim wrote:
99prelim wrote:
The Review will uncover many failings

One of them will be that Teague is a shizehausen senior AFL coach


Yet he has done alot better than everyone else this century bar Ratten.


So he should. He has a significantly better list.


Was going to say the same thing...our list is in its greatest shape since 2002 (forget injuries of course)

And if our list was sooooo bad or soooo 'not that good', why are we ready to smash a TV every second week????
Because the expectations we have for winning are higher and a function of our belief that the players on the park (the LIST), should be performing much much better

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:40 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
I have had a few ph calls from mates telling me that Ross Lyon was abit coy on Footy Confidential last night when asked. Anyone see it?

Regards Cazzesman


Edi told him to expect a call...awkward and coy

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:14 pm 
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Carlton sacking yet another coach is like wiping lipstick off a pig to try a new colour.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:16 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Elliot was a typical 80s tycoon bufoon.

But one thing he did get right is the Salary Cap is in fact illegal as you can not cap a persons earnings potential.


:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

I suspect without the SC the AFL would look like the Premier League in the UK where every year there are probably only 5 or 6 teams out of 20 that can realistically finish on top. What kind of 'Competition' is that where 75% just make up the numbers each year.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:27 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Elliot was a typical 80s tycoon bufoon.

But one thing he did get right is the Salary Cap is in fact illegal as you can not cap a persons earnings potential.


:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

I suspect without the SC the AFL would look like the Premier League in the UK where every year there are probably only 5 or 6 teams out of 20 that can realistically finish on top. What kind of 'Competition' is that where 75% just make up the numbers each year.

Regards Cazzesman


I am not saying this system is good or bad - I am saying capping a persons earnings potential is illegal.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:47 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
I have had a few ph calls from mates telling me that Ross Lyon was abit coy on Footy Confidential last night when asked. Anyone see it?

Regards Cazzesman


Edi told him to expect a call...awkward and coy

With a Ross Lyon smirk to go with it

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:06 pm 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Elliot was a typical 80s tycoon bufoon.

But one thing he did get right is the Salary Cap is in fact illegal as you can not cap a persons earnings potential.


:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

I suspect without the SC the AFL would look like the Premier League in the UK where every year there are probably only 5 or 6 teams out of 20 that can realistically finish on top. What kind of 'Competition' is that where 75% just make up the numbers each year.

Regards Cazzesman

But in his warped mind he thought he could it
And the club still suffers from his legacy


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:28 pm 
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Walsh wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Elliot was a typical 80s tycoon bufoon.

But one thing he did get right is the Salary Cap is in fact illegal as you can not cap a persons earnings potential.


:screwy: :screwy: :screwy: :screwy:

I suspect without the SC the AFL would look like the Premier League in the UK where every year there are probably only 5 or 6 teams out of 20 that can realistically finish on top. What kind of 'Competition' is that where 75% just make up the numbers each year.

Regards Cazzesman


I am not saying this system is good or bad - I am saying capping a persons earnings potential is illegal.


But as far as the AFL is concerned, completely mute and pointless.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:42 pm 
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Apparently some guy called marcsmurf just posted on BigFooty.com, my brother said he is as reliable as barass70

Clarko still the preference but in deep discussions with Ross Lyon

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:31 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
I am at a loss with this Teague debate.

Following my lunch yesterday with Roosy's mate, talking Carlton and winning Flags, I had lunch today with an ex player, living in sydney, and like Cazz he said there's a culture problem at the club.

Sacking Teague wont fix it. Its been stuffed because of Elliot and co...similar to keogh's call.

Flags are hard to win. Chopping and changing coaches before they''ve had a chance to get the ducks lined up doesn't help.

Then I read Mahers opinion on SEN.

I agree, Flags aren't easy.

Part of me wants to let Teague see it through for another year, the other part says get a great coach if they think they can fix things.

I think we are all impatient at Carlton,

Recent history shows that sticking fat with Goodwin in 2021, and Hardwick in 2017,and Clarkson back in 2006 paid dividends.

Get some good people, qualified to work of defence and create synergy with Teague's attacking plan, would suit me fine.

Ive been changing my mind after every loss though. I need a Crystal Ball and you guys on TC aren't helping.



History has also shown that replacing coaches such as Brendan Mccartney with Luke Beveridge (Premiership in his second year), Roos with Longmire (premiership in second year), Worsfold with Simpson (grand final 2nd year), Harvey with Lyon (grand final in 2nd year), Bomber with Chris Scott, Leppitsch with Fagan and Worsfold with Rutten most recently has also paid dividends...

So who knows? The most important thing is you make the decision based on all the facts and information in front of you at the time and I think there is simply nothing to suggest Teague has what it takes and the culture has basically gotten even worse. Plus there is simply too much coaching talent out there that is available right now (Clarkson, Lyon, Pyke, Buckley, Brad Scott, Leppitsch (as assistant)) that we'd be remiss not to ask the question at least. Compared to when Hardwick and Goodwin were under pressure.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 11:33 pm 
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azzablue wrote:
Apparently some guy called marcsmurf just posted on BigFooty.com, my brother said he is as reliable as barass70

Clarko still the preference but in deep discussions with Ross Lyon


Nah - seems more like someone who takes educated guesses (which invariably half the time would come off) rather than someone with genuine mail.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:49 am 
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azzablue wrote:
Apparently some guy called marcsmurf just posted on BigFooty.com, my brother said he is as reliable as barass70

Clarko still the preference but in deep discussions with Ross Lyon
Used to be, very hit and miss now.

Barrass has always been streets ahead.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:37 am 
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azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
azzablue wrote:
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Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,

Klopp was already successful before coming to Liverpool, but thanks again for comparison that makes no sense to Teague

Teague poor media performer , poor man manager and poor game strategist = fail senior coach !!

And I have plenty of examples if you like


I am talking about gamestyle.

Gamestyle??
Walsh at hb and McKay 80
Metres away from goal in a crucial game is that game style ?

That’s like saying kloop playing salah as left back and Trent Alexander as a centre forward in a qtr final champions game ?

Would never happen

You reckon klopp would do that because klopp h


Walsh was at half back for like a minute to break a tag, wasn’t like he played the whole match there


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:42 am 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
azzablue wrote:
Walsh wrote:
Teague is trying to translate the Jurgen Klopps Gengen Press onto AFL football.

I have no problem with that but took Klopp five years to get the players he needed to play that style of football - but once he got them silverware after silverware,

Klopp was already successful before coming to Liverpool, but thanks again for comparison that makes no sense to Teague

Teague poor media performer , poor man manager and poor game strategist = fail senior coach !!

And I have plenty of examples if you like


I am talking about gamestyle.

Gamestyle??
Walsh at hb and McKay 80
Metres away from goal in a crucial game is that game style ?

That’s like saying kloop playing salah as left back and Trent Alexander as a centre forward in a qtr final champions game ?

Would never happen

You reckon klopp would do that because klopp h


Walsh was at half back for like a minute to break a tag, wasn’t like he played the whole match there

You want to look at his heat map for the match and that was interesting!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:46 am 
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It will be interesting to see how the club let Teague handle the media for the next 2 games , going off yesterday press conference he did , clearly the club has no control over anyone

This once great club has been a laughing stock for such a long time ... on the front bar last night they were making a mockery of us and they put up this auskicker and she said that she has been to 27 Carlton games for one win , that’s the next generation coming thru

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:25 am 
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Club says they review will be secret, and no potential coaches have been approached, and yet between them Barass70 (and Smurf whathisname) say the club are in conversations with Clarkson and Lyon and God knows who else.

No leaks hey Carlton?


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:32 am 
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Teague quoted in the Herald Sun:

“To perform at your best you need a psychologically-safe environment, and right now for us that’s a challenge for us with everything going on. “I really commend all the players and staff (for) the way they keep fronting up and bringing great effort and trying their best in an environment which is a bit challenging.”

Can you believe this bloke? He commends the players for the way they've been fronting up? Bringing great effort? Trying their best????? How's the @#$%&! audacity of the man! I'm sorry David, but this is the kind of Mr nice guy acceptance of bullshit low standards that is going to get you fired. This is the AFL. It's a brutal cut throat game. You do not commend your players for "fronting up". You do not get a pat on the back for "trying your best". The level of effort has been completely unacceptable. You need to be calling out the lack of effort and poor performance. By speaking like this you are accepting pathetic standards and enabling it to continue.

GET OUT OF OUR CLUB YOU FRAUD

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