Yes changes throughout all footy departments are urgent , it’s becoming a shambles and another 2 loses won’t ease the pain.
Dismal and disappointing is how this once very proud & distinguished club has being demeaned.
Hopefully the due process will move along swiftly after Thursday , Sayers as new head , will need to meet expectations , as tremendous as they’ll be in a new aera, I hope he’s able to get it done in his tenure.

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In other words you can’t back up anything !!

Will you continue contributing on here after Teague leaves in the next 14 days ??

Or will you Have the power to re instate him ??

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How anyone can back Teague is mind boggling. Nothing to do with him as a person, but we need to get this club back to where it should be which is competing. They have literally gone backwards in the last few years while other team that were around our mark have improved. I would even say North, Gold Coast, and Collingwood with less talent have better structures and have gone past us. Look at Essenscum as much as it pains me, they look good with so many young players. Why? Structure and players have are all buying into the game plan.

We are lost. So in every organisation that performs like this, changes need to be made.

I just hope we make a good call this time. Sick of sacking coaches to be honest. But we need to go through them till we find the right one.

There is no reason why we should be this shit with the talent we have now.

I like Teague the person but as our coach his time is up.

There are so many blindingly obvious flaws onfield that his position isn’t sustainable.

The five goal runs have been devastating to our competitiveness but I could excuse them if I saw moves coming from the coaches box or changing structures onfield when the opposition gets on top. At least we’d be acknowledging the issue. Sadly they just don’t happen and nothing changes.

The role of Cripps in the middle is a huge worry too. He’s gone from being one of the top five players in the league to barely effective. A good coach would be working out what’s gone wrong there but Cripps just seems to be left to his own devices. With Weitering, Walsh and McKay having all stepped up we’d be a far greater threat if Cripps was as effective as he was two years ago. Unfortunately we’ve never seen Cripps and Walsh peak at the same time.

There are more, all of which have been mentioned numerous times by others but fundamentally it appears Teague either isn’t responsive enough during a game or is too stubborn to change his system which clearly isn’t working on a number of levels.

I’m not excusing the players in all this and our player culture has been awful for years now along with the lack of selection integrity but the buck stops with the coach and it’s time it did.

I don’t really have a dog in the new coach fight as long as we pick the right one. I hope it’ll be a coach who judges the players fairly and entirely on merit and performance. And I hope it’s a coach who isn’t afraid to put them in their place but can maintain their respect whilst doing it.

It’s been too long.

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Unlike previous coaches Teague knew what he was getting into- He was there as an assistant coach and would have know what the players were like - there was no buyer beware here
He has had this covid disaster to deal with be so has everyone else so that is no excuse

Under Bolton and Malthouse we were just plain rubbish week in week out - What I can't get my head around is that under Teague from week to week -quarter to quarter is the fluctuations in form - We can go from world beaters to chumps at a blink of an eye - It is like they all go place bets on during the breaks

It is this inconsistency that frustrates you the most as you know the list and the players have the ability - you never saw that under Bolton or Malthouse we were just consistently bad.

Not sure if anyone else is going to train this out of them or has the removal of the runner and lack of on field leadership

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I presume this is because our game plan is too simplistic. It works when we have the run of the green and the scenarios fall into plan A which players know how to implement.

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We havent had an engine room/midfield in years and the rebuild failed in the middle.

That's the problem and only problem.

Normally I'd agree the buck stops with the coach but after the same shit happening with every other coach, the bucks stops with the players this time, more so the leaders. If things are going change it has to be players driven. Leaders have to demand accountability with real peer pressure to perform. If not, the culture stays the same and nothing will change with the next coach and the coach after etc.... The coach will have an impossible job.

That in itself is too simplistic as under Teague we haven't been flogged like under previous coaches as well as decent experienced teams like west coast.

We have been competitive and in winning positions in nearly every game which means that although Teague game style has been criticised by all the numties in the media, does it need to be scrapped, further tweaked or simply given more time to imbed itself in the team.

What is clear is that we are playing a different game style than most other teams and I don't know if that is a positive or negative thing. Clarko started playing zone defence which was criticised early in his career as it was different to what everyone else was doing at the time and resulted in some shocking loses at that time. There were the same rumblings about Clarko in 2006 about game style and being too inexperienced as first time coach, yet Hawthorn kept faith in Clarko and reaped the fruits of that faith.

While I agree it is more than the coach as evidenced by the numerous coaches experienced/inexperienced, recruiters of which there have been several, maybe assistant coaches.

But the one constant which is sometime but not often enough pointed out are the figures on the board. And they embed themselves deeper all the time so the rank and file have very little to say.

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Walsh I know that it’s the players fits your narrative and agenda

It’s both lazy unaccountable players with little mental toughness or grit and devoid of strong leadership and a barely competent coaching staff who can’t get a game plan that wins games cannot get a team to adhere to that game plan whatever it is and cannot for some reason get players motivated to give a full bloodied effort in about 50 percent of the games

It’s both it never is one reason players have let us down and the coaches have let us down swanning around in preseason believing the hype and not rectifying the glaring deficiencies of the year before in terms of game plan and the ability to play 100 minutes of sustainable football in all games

No narrative and agenda - players accross the ground are hitting numbers I would go on and say defensive back six and forward line is as potent as you could get in the competition. They are conitnuously let down by the midfield every single week. The numbers/stats are there for all to see and the midfield needs to be overhauled.

If it is just a midfield problem why are we having an external review of the football dept.

Why as a result is the coach about to be sacked -why does the vast majority of the footy supporting public believe he needs to go given the teams performance in 2021

It is far too simplistic to point to the midfield and saying they are not performing is the sole cause of the underperformance of the team this year

The players can’t get of Scott free here and no one is suggesting otherwise but the coach also can’t escape criticism

Sayers is panicky and inexperienced maybe? No one has been sacked as far as I am aware, so?

The midfield has been beaten to a pulp all year. The players have done well except the midfield.

I am guessing you haven't read the review. I am guessing that identifies a lot of problems. I am guessing some are linked to the coach

..and list management/recruitment.

Unfortunately reading Walsh's contributions on this thread is like watching Robin Gibb sing "I started a joke":

I started a joke
Which started the whole world crying
But I didn't see that the joke was on me, oh no

I really don't want to be cruel about this, but, there are so many fallacies and misunderstandings in the arguments you're putting forward Walsh.

Just as an example, the idea of the board being involved in management decisions. That's not their role.

The idea that there is only 1 issue (including what you might think about culture, recruitment, development etc) and that is the midfield is just quite extraordinary.

I could go on, but I unfortunately have some work to do.

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Defence and forward line is doing their bit as far as I can see, I have no issue with their output.

Midfield is a joke - we don't even have one its at VFL standard and needs to be overhauled if people want to stop sooking.

I am always sceptical when someone looks at a complex issue and decides there is a single problem. Carlton is a complex issue (or a simple basket case) - things have not been right for some time. Midfield has been an issue - the board has been an issue – player development has been an issue. And there are many, many more.

The trick is to untangle as many as can be untangled and find the two or three that may lead to the rest being rectified.

I'll nominate my three.

The Coaching panel - not sure if it is Teague, his team or both- but we have not been coached well and players have not been developed well. Whether we stay with or get rid of Teague, the coaching issues must be rectified.
Culture - Shakespeare said it best - there is something rotten in the state of Carlton. Find it and eradicate it.
Supporter base. I suspect Richmond and other such clubs would have almost burnt the place down - we on the other hand have record membership etc....are we the fattened calf from that earlier blissful period of 8 flags? Have we become slaves to a history that does nothing for our future? Something about us reminds me of the Collingwood supporters of my youth - no matter how many GF's they lost they carried on as if they were the greatest. Are we the new Collingwood, mired in a swamp of past glories?

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

It’s certainly not the only problem