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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:41 pm 
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Pointless discussing Teague coz rightly or wrongly he aint coaching the Blues next year...........100 % fact so get over it and move on.

Spot on and you can all take that to the bank , so all you Teague supporters out there , start conditioning yourself , this train in 4 weeks is going over the cliff , there is no track left !!

Driving home today with 18 year old after watching the game at his grandparents house , I said to him geez we played terribly today and his response , I don’t care anymore !!!!


in all seriousness, can we afford to sack him, with the cuts in the soft cap? will we get screwed by the afl if we overspend on the soft cap due to sacking teague? he is contracted for 2022, so we would need to come to a settlement, which will come out of either this years, or next years soft salary cap. i think this issue will stop us from getting rid of him

It’s a lock , he is done this year , so we don’t need to analyse soft cap or no soft cap

His exhausting tones at press conferences leading up to games and after games is the most annoying thing I Have heard from
A coach !!

So does he still believe I this group and what they are trying to achieve?? Fkn hilarious

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:56 pm 
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Thought we'd structured up and defended well collectively for the last month. Today was the Eagles game all over again. Massive step back.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Teague on the phone in the coaches box. I guess we can thank our lucky stars he waited until 3/4 time to personally deliver the news to the cornerstone of that defensive structure that he was being taken out of the game.

Pulled a Buckley. Will suffer the same fate.


I can't remember Teague on a phone to think of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:00 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Thought we'd structured up and defended well collectively for the last month. Today was the Eagles game all over again. Massive step back.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen Teague on the phone in the coaches box. I guess we can thank our lucky stars he waited until 3/4 time to personally deliver the news to the cornerstone of that defensive structure that he was being taken out of the game.

Pulled a Buckley. Will suffer the same fate.


I can't remember Teague on a phone to think of it.

You're right.
I have often thought the same thing.
Whenever the camera has shown him he is usually sitting there with a blank look on his face.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:41 pm 
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This was the Coach Killer game

Although has been a dead man walking for a while

Still won’t fix this pervasive losing culture that has destroyed our club

It’s a stink that has lingered for too long now


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:02 pm 
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WOW wrote:
This was the Coach Killer game

Although has been a dead man walking for a while

Still won’t fix this pervasive losing culture that has destroyed our club

It’s a stink that has lingered for too long now

Way too long and clean sweep needs to happen

And that includes the Board down ...

It won’t happen , so they will sack the coach (justified) but hold no one else accountable

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:44 pm 
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Looking at it logically I would be surprised if Teague was replaced. Like a player he is learning on the job. I have said it before, take Hardwick as an example. Yes, I do get bloody frustrated as well seeing the obvious flaws in our game plan.

Today player availability did not help him. We have 4 players who can play KPF and none were available. McKay, McGovern, Curnow, and McDonald. We have 3 rucks and 1 was available in TDK. Williams went down on or about half time and was replaced by ex-champion Murphy. etc, etc.

Is it the coach, his assistants, do we need to look further, that is what the review should be examining. It should not have had any Carlton people on it except maybe as liaison.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:52 am 
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The issue is why should we be forced into accepting a coach with training wheels? learning on the Job after over 2 decades of miserable performances and ridicule? , because he’s liked by the players and he’s a nice guy & past player ? especially when there’s a plethora of talented & experienced coaches available and to choose from.
If we have another humiliating season in 2022 with Teague at the helm of coaching, it’s a glaring dereliction once again.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:18 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Looking at it logically I would be surprised if Teague was replaced. Like a player he is learning on the job. I have said it before, take Hardwick as an example. Yes, I do get bloody frustrated as well seeing the obvious flaws in our game plan.

Today player availability did not help him. We have 4 players who can play KPF and none were available. McKay, McGovern, Curnow, and McDonald. We have 3 rucks and 1 was available in TDK. Williams went down on or about half time and was replaced by ex-champion Murphy. etc, etc.

Is it the coach, his assistants, do we need to look further, that is what the review should be examining. It should not have had any Carlton people on it except maybe as liaison.

Hardwick was a tough player who won 2 premiership as a player sorry bad comparison.but good try

Since last mid season break in 2020 who have we beaten ?? Answer no one !!

How many times have we failed ?

Let’s see that’s very easy

Crows last year
Pies earlier this year and last year
Wc this year and last year
Gws this year and last year
Port this year
North this year after they lost by 25 goals 10 weeks ago and only beat them by a goal last year
We can only beat freo and gc consistently and no one else

Teague complete bust ... and out of his depth

Just listen to his press conference tonight it was as bad as ever and he even said that Murphy isn’t able to play a full game but was still picked as medical sub , what message are you sending to the playing group as whole including the young players who want to prove themselves

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:17 am 
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our game plan is totally stuffed ,i have been saying it all year,we go the long bomb into F50 the opposition spoils and then with quick ball movement they walk into easy goals . How many times have we watched Richmond Rd1 do this ,swans ,saints all quick ball movement from there defence to there open space forward line for goals.we are so predictable and David Teague and Co have not changed a think in 2 yrs we play the same system that has failed the club,thats why i think his in big trouble.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:10 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Looking at it logically I would be surprised if Teague was replaced. Like a player he is learning on the job. I have said it before, take Hardwick as an example. Yes, I do get bloody frustrated as well seeing the obvious flaws in our game plan.

Today player availability did not help him. We have 4 players who can play KPF and none were available. McKay, McGovern, Curnow, and McDonald. We have 3 rucks and 1 was available in TDK. Williams went down on or about half time and was replaced by ex-champion Murphy. etc, etc.

Is it the coach, his assistants, do we need to look further, that is what the review should be examining. It should not have had any Carlton people on it except maybe as liaison.



Nice post.

I'm on the fence determining the outcome of the Review and Teague's future. Who knows how this will pan out.

Apart from missing No. 1 Ruck and 2 KPF's, from what I saw yesterday and the last 2 years is we still have a need for speed across the ground. Saad and Williams may well give us that and I believe those 2 will feature in our next flag (regardless who the coach is, they are in), but we need speed of mind and legs. Players like Philp and Cuningham, are players who can create the much needed spread to create options further up the ground, closing speed and tackling.

If Marchbank was available, he is our bonafide intercept mark, similar size and type to Dees Lever, then Jones and Weitering can stick close to their dangerous opponents. Plowman, who has good game sense, could then be released to play a more running role as a HBF and Saad and williams the speed to get out.

Its a combination of injuries, motivation and game plan which are the obvious issues: the latter 2 are the Head Coach's responsibility.

I just want to finish off the year with players getting back on the park, in readiness for a big preseason, and some good wins, to keep Carlton attractive for the Trade season.

I have no doubt that Austin has targeted players for needs and would have started conversation and negotiation with some managers, and my gut feeling is that Lyon will replace Teague, and take control of the playing group's hearts and minds in the preseason, and do a better job than Teague with the list.

Injuries have cruelled Teague just as they did for Wayne Brittain in 2002. Someone pointed a stick at us this year.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:12 am 
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He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:28 am 
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deano35 wrote:
He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.


Brilliantly summed up !!

I’m so shattered this morning...

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:29 am 
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Spot on Deano. Totally agree with everything.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:41 am 
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deano35 wrote:
He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.

Hmm, I spoke with a Carlton legend the morning after the GWS debacle. Basically along the lines of where to from here. First thing he mentioned was ''Selection Integrity'' Actually it was @#%^& Selection Integrity.
You're in good company Deano.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:43 am 
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WOW wrote:
This was the Coach Killer game

Although has been a dead man walking for a while

Still won’t fix this pervasive losing culture that has destroyed our club

It’s a stink that has lingered for too long now


Because we have fked up our coaching/development/football dept appointments for too long. pure and simple

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:45 am 
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azzablue wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Looking at it logically I would be surprised if Teague was replaced. Like a player he is learning on the job. I have said it before, take Hardwick as an example. Yes, I do get bloody frustrated as well seeing the obvious flaws in our game plan.

Today player availability did not help him. We have 4 players who can play KPF and none were available. McKay, McGovern, Curnow, and McDonald. We have 3 rucks and 1 was available in TDK. Williams went down on or about half time and was replaced by ex-champion Murphy. etc, etc.

Is it the coach, his assistants, do we need to look further, that is what the review should be examining. It should not have had any Carlton people on it except maybe as liaison.

Hardwick was a tough player who won 2 premiership as a player sorry bad comparison.but good try

Since last mid season break in 2020 who have we beaten ?? Answer no one !!

How many times have we failed ?

Let’s see that’s very easy

Crows last year
Pies earlier this year and last year
Wc this year and last year
Gws this year and last year
Port this year
North this year after they lost by 25 goals 10 weeks ago and only beat them by a goal last year
We can only beat freo and gc consistently and no one else

Teague complete bust ... and out of his depth

Just listen to his press conference tonight it was as bad as ever and he even said that Murphy isn’t able to play a full game but was still picked as medical sub , what message are you sending to the playing group as whole including the young players who want to prove themselves


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:00 am 
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azzablue wrote:
deano35 wrote:
He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.


Brilliantly summed up !!

I’m so shattered this morning...


Agree with Deano35
I'm not shattered...we have reached a point where the wound needs to be well and truly opened up...a win yesterday may have just required a bandaid, with infection and pus still inside
I'm plagiarising this comment; don't remember who but they said something like, "I don't care how many coaches we have to go through until we get the right one"...just want the "right one" to be our next of course

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:04 am 
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murraycray wrote:
deano35 wrote:
He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.

Hmm, I spoke with a Carlton legend the morning after the GWS debacle. Basically along the lines of where to from here. First thing he mentioned was ''Selection Integrity'' Actually it was @#%^& Selection Integrity.
You're in good company Deano.


It's usually the key reason for a toxic culture in a sporting organisation...who's on the outer, who's a favourite, who's assessed easily, who's assessed harshly...it goes to the core of human emotion and feelings!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:11 am 
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deano35 wrote:
He conceded in his presser that Murphy wasn't able to play a full game and would only be able to play limited minutes.
WTF ???
Imagine being Honey, Ransey, Kemp or even LOB hearing that while your fully fit and in some form playing full games at the lower level.
This just makes a mockery of what David has been saying ALL YEAR !!!!
He has every week mentioned how players need to earn there games and be in form, fit and ready to play.
So Murphy hasn't played for a month then he acknowledges that Murphy isn't fit enough but they make him sub.
This is the CULTURE that David built.
A CULTURE of no selection integrity
A CULTURE of no accountability on senior players.
A CULTURE of rewarding weak on field efforts
A CULTURE of being nice footballers
A CULTURE of gifting games to players
A CULTURE of no defensive structure
A CULTURE of rolling over when teams come at us
A CULTURE of playing injured senior players ahead of fully fit kids
A CULTURE of NOT rewarding kids with form at lower levels
A CULTURE of compromised team selection
A CULTURE of selfishness

We are a weak , selfish , unaccountable, compromised, nice football club.

This is the club David has built so far.


This goes beyond being a David issue

Rotten cultural issues is a board issue

Normally ends up with poor appointments, selection integrity issues, poor attitudes, lack of standards, poor messaging etc etc


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 12:27 pm 
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Teague should be replaced as soon as practically possible. Carlton under Teague have no idea how to defend. He's had ample time to stop the bleeding. Time to move on.


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