Agree. We need to make a statement with Gov. Lack of effort and showing little or no intensity is unacceptable. If he is out of contract I'd delist him. I've praised him in the past but the garbage he has dished up 2nd half of the season falls well short of what is required

If Teague keeps playing Gov, then maybe Teague has to be dropped.

Can't keep gifting games to someone not trying just because they are your mate.

...and that's why I am going to bring heat to Teague. He's is asking for it.

Teague has to make the right decisions by the club, and by playing Gov it doesn't seem to be the right thing according to every Carlton supporter I speak to and every media commentator giving their opinion on the situation.

When I see Teague, I'm going to be blunt and tell him to his face :

Gov isn't doing you any favours, so why are you doing him favours.

Its not right that you keep selecting Gov, in effect, carrying him, when everyone but you can see he's not playing to the level required.

You get what you deserve. Keep doing it and it next year will lead to your demise.

What if Melbourne ask for Harry would you trade him to get Oliver??
I don't think we should trade Dow or SPS they need to play midfield and I reckon it could come back to haunt us.
I see both of them with alot of upside if played in there proper positions

I've worked at Executive level in the Corporate world enough to know nothing no carefully laid out plan is perfect, but we spin it to the public (and shareholders) as if it is. There's always a few gaps that need attention; some easier to fix than others.

Without optimism you have nothing and you will achieve nothing, and it is that attitude that will lead to ones demise and failure.

To improve things, in your situational analysis, you start the list with what you've got; your Strengths.

Then followed by a list of your perceived (internally and externally) and real Weaknesses; the gaps.

The next list, you look for growth in Opportunities for improvement and success. Some we can attain, some we miss out initilally, maybe forever.

Finally, the Threats are the final list when we look internally and externally.

You seem to start your analyisis with the last part first (Threats) and stuck in that box. Its understandable why you can't see trees for wood from that quadrant.

That's your problem keogh, not the clubs problem. Thankfully the club moves forward and we all agree Finals is the expectation in 2021. We keep improving and stoking for some additional talent to bolster the group to take the next step; same as any other club. This time we are a Destination club. We aren't that far off. We have plenty of young talent; some better than others. That's life.

I'm glad you are not making plans and decisions for the club.

Just watch the list grow and improve over the next preseason. You wont be happy because it wont suit your agenda. I will though, as will the fans who have been watching our incremental growth, which actually hasn't been much different to any of the previous Premiership Teams' journey.

Arnt 85% of CEOs sociopaths
20 years without one Preliminary Final

I’ve always been an Indian at work
Never a chief
New my limitations
There is more to life than work
And around 4 out 5 bosses have been aresholes
Not saying your in the majority

I reckon we lose by 10 goals tonight.


As for a plan we need:


- midfield support for Cripps (2x 23 to 27 year old hard bodies).
- small forward x 1
- small defender x 1
- running half back flanker x 1
- key defender (youngish) to replace Jones in two years
- another ruckman to replace Pittonet (who is only an honest lumberer in my opinion).


Go to the draft and take best available midfielders with our first two if not three picks.


I don’t know enough about what’s running through the WAFL and SANFL but if you think you know a few I’ll bow to your opinion Keogh.





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I’m open to trading SPS, Dow & McGovern but I doubt they have enough currency to make trading them worthwhile.

I presume Hurricane means by cutting the “umbilical” cord, they are referring to getting rid of all the oldies from the losing culture, scorched earth and let the young players move forward untainted. A true measure of #ownthefuture, not #sharethepresentwiththepast

No I wouldn't trade Harry. I was never a huge fan because I think he lacks intensity and maturity but his 2nd half of the year has shown me he is growing into his role. He turns 23 in December so I often forget how young he is.

I'd trade SPS and Dow for Oliver. 1 guaranteed 100%er for 2 50%ers who are yeah/no/maybe sounds about right. Oliver's 30 possessions each week vs their collective 13 each. Neither SPS or Dow give us hard headed grunt and a sense of desperation for 100 mins.

If you want support for Crippa for the next 6 years, Oliver is your man. I'd love to see Diesel working with both of them.

Regards Cazzesman

I think Oliver for Dow & SPS is extremely wishful thinking Cazz. The Dees will want Cripps.

I think Oliver for Dow & SPS is extremely wishful thinking Cazz. The Dees will want Cripps.

A pick 3 and 6 for pick 4 seems like a great deal......

Just don't tell the D's 3 and 6 can't find the footy

How about pick 7 and Dow or SPS for Oliver?

Regards Cazzesman

Is Clayton even available? If not then why are we even talking about him?

Probably not but it's what we do the day after the season ends and the finals are about to start.

Regards Cazzesman