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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:14 pm 
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Craig Bradley

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bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
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Jonny
I’ll do a plan I’ll name players
You will do the same won’t you
Can’t be full of hot air and shit

I’ll see how big the lists are
And where we finish
First

What do you reckon
Come to the party :wink:



My plan is a few posts above.

We have a spine.
We have a ruckman.
We add the players I highlighted.

We are not that far off.

A win for Simmo tonight might be the tonic to convince the 20 A Graders who would consider coming to Carlton on less dollars than other offers.

I have already recruited players for 2021: Marchbank, Harry, Newman, Silvagni,
Add Williams, Saad, Merrett and Witherdon and there will be no "peripheral" players in our best 22.
You've already status I'm clueless.

Now I'm waiting for you to come up with something realistic.


I admire your optimism but your plan is a bit simplistic and narrow minded


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:21 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
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Jonny
I’ll do a plan I’ll name players
You will do the same won’t you
Can’t be full of hot air and shit



Nice try Keogh but you cant rope everyone else in to deflect from your claims. :grin:
You're the one who claimed to be informed and said no one else is. Here's your big chance.
You told me you've already named the players. Where are they?
You've been bagging the club for years. Where's your nominations and plans over the past couple of years that you've been so critical of?


I will do it when the season is over
When we know where we finish
What we trade out
How many are allowed on the list

I have 14 players from the WAFL and SANFL ready to go
But I’ll keep the powder dry till then
What’s your solution unless you think there is nothing wrong
The club swept Silvangi’s departure under the carpet
Lack of transparency as always
I mean Jake wouldn’t want to upset his mate
He does look a bit like a blue brother doesn’t he
Clearly some within the club felt the same as me

Anyway 2 things
Where is your plan


And how will we go tonight


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:53 pm 
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I reckon we lose by 10 goals tonight.


As for a plan we need:


- midfield support for Cripps (2x 23 to 27 year old hard bodies).
- small forward x 1
- small defender x 1
- running half back flanker x 1
- key defender (youngish) to replace Jones in two years
- another ruckman to replace Pittonet (who is only an honest lumberer in my opinion).


Go to the draft and take best available midfielders with our first two if not three picks.


I don’t know enough about what’s running through the WAFL and SANFL but if you think you know a few I’ll bow to your opinion Keogh.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:06 pm 
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Here's my plan

Recruit the best hypnotherapist and have each and every Carlton player under hypnosis reciting, "I will play for the jumper, the club, the history and the supporters who pay their hard earned money - each and every time I run out on the field for each and every minute I am playing"

Otherwise, all we have is the all dancing, all singing Michigan J. Frog, who only chooses to perform when they feel like it

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:02 pm 
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Apart from ruck, cos I disagree there Agro, the rest is what I'd like. Given how many quarters we won I think we are not as far off as some think, particularly if Curnow and Marchbank can get on the park and Cripps recaptures his form/health.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:32 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
We're so good that we can walk away from Zac Williams are we?
For those who don't rate him, have a look at his ball use out of defence compared to our players. If you want to play the corridor and get away from the boundary game, you need players who can hit the kick.
We have so many supporters who spend all their time being critical but fail to come up with any solutions. Stick your neck out Keogh. Instead of saying no to everything, bagging everything, tell us what we should do improve the list. No motherhood statements, no "sack the board" copouts. Give us nuts and bolts. Give us names.


:clap: Williams is a ripper.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:24 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
DesEnglish wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
I can see us landing Williams with an offer GWS can't match (GWS even the corrupt AFL Commission can't buy them a flag).

If Merrett's manager is talking to Austin (maybe about other players in his stable) and we can entice him, we would have to offer 2 first rounders for him.

It seems Saad may just well be eyeing a list spot at Carlton, and he's worth a first rounder plus some. He's out of contract.

How do we land both players from Effen*don?

It would be an opposition's nightmare with the new additions in 2021:

R TDK Walsh Williams
C Merrett Cripps Setterfield

Marchbank and Saad in the backline with Docherty

Charlie and Jack in the forwardline with Martin


That is a much better environment to develop the younger ones like Kemp, Dow, SPS

I'm sure we would get Merrett for 2 x 1st rounders given he will be RFA next year.
I'm sure we would get Saad for 1st rounder plus a 2nd rounder (if we had to) if we couldn't get him with 2 x 2nd rounders.
Especially if they want out.

I would trade a Player for a first pick to get both of those Bumber* players

If Daniher goes for nothing, (ie Effen*don can't match) then that's what is facing them with Merrett next year, and they might think twice about holding onto him.

If they see they can get 2 firsts for Merrett from Carlton and he's out the door, Effen*don may have cap space to match Sydney (or whoever), and they end up with

Daniher (Sydney or Geelong) 2020 2021 1st picks (Geelong have 3 x 2020 1st picks)
Merrett (Carlton) 2020 2021 1st picks
Saad (Carlton) 2020 1st pick (for traded player)
Draft Pick (Effen*don) 1st pick.

They go into 2020 Draft with possibly 5 x 1st round picks starting with their at pick 5 (if Suns beat Hawks), and 2021 with 2 1st round picks or more.

They need a spine, coz they are spineless.

DO IT !!!!!!!!


Which of our players do you think we can afford to lose and will bring in a first round pick?


That's a difficult question.

Potential vs Proven players.

TBH, at the end of the day, any of them.
I'd rather have a Bird in the hand,and not have to worry about development being a success.


Unfortunately I think it’s the ‘birds’ that we’d have to trade to get first rounders.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:30 am 
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keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
BV
BB
Jonny
I’ll do a plan I’ll name players
You will do the same won’t you
Can’t be full of hot air and shit



Nice try Keogh but you cant rope everyone else in to deflect from your claims. :grin:
You're the one who claimed to be informed and said no one else is. Here's your big chance.
You told me you've already named the players. Where are they?
You've been bagging the club for years. Where's your nominations and plans over the past couple of years that you've been so critical of?


I will do it when the season is over
When we know where we finish
What we trade out
How many are allowed on the list

I have 14 players from the WAFL and SANFL ready to go
But I’ll keep the powder dry till then
What’s your solution unless you think there is nothing wrong
The club swept Silvangi’s departure under the carpet
Lack of transparency as always
I mean Jake wouldn’t want to upset his mate
He does look a bit like a blue brother doesn’t he
Clearly some within the club felt the same as me

Anyway 2 things
Where is your plan


And how will we go tonight


Can I ask if you’re looking at these state level players to top up what we have or to replace current players?

If we had a list of 40 how many would you bring in?


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:33 am 
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SPS Trade
Dow Trade
McGovern Trade

Cut
O'Brien
Polson
O'Dwyer
Goddard
Moore

No idea about their progress
Owies
Philip
Phillips
Ramsey
B SOS
Honey

Retired
Simmo
Kruez

I think with that lot you can afford to keep McCreadie & Cottrell.

Based on SFA viewing and a gut feel. If Clayton Oliver is get able, throw the kitchen sink at him.

Regards Cazzesman

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:46 am 
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I’m open to trading SPS, Dow & McGovern but I doubt they have enough currency to make trading them worthwhile.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:56 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
The Hurricane wrote:
Really concerned with the club, signing the old while letting the youth go.
We have a lot of forth and fifth year players now, so that old way way of thinking has to go
Not only are we losing a position on the field to rotate the youth through we are showing a complete lack of faith in the leaders
Cut the ambilocal chord Carlton and let Cripps and Docherty lead this side into a new era



Welcome aboard Hurricane. :thumbsup:

What do you mean by your last sentence?

I presume Hurricane means by cutting the “umbilical” cord, they are referring to getting rid of all the oldies from the losing culture, scorched earth and let the young players move forward untainted. A true measure of #ownthefuture, not #sharethepresentwiththepast


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:04 am 
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DesEnglish wrote:
keogh wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
keogh wrote:
BV
BB
Jonny
I’ll do a plan I’ll name players
You will do the same won’t you
Can’t be full of hot air and shit



Nice try Keogh but you cant rope everyone else in to deflect from your claims. :grin:
You're the one who claimed to be informed and said no one else is. Here's your big chance.
You told me you've already named the players. Where are they?
You've been bagging the club for years. Where's your nominations and plans over the past couple of years that you've been so critical of?


I will do it when the season is over
When we know where we finish
What we trade out
How many are allowed on the list

I have 14 players from the WAFL and SANFL ready to go
But I’ll keep the powder dry till then
What’s your solution unless you think there is nothing wrong
The club swept Silvangi’s departure under the carpet
Lack of transparency as always
I mean Jake wouldn’t want to upset his mate
He does look a bit like a blue brother doesn’t he
Clearly some within the club felt the same as me

Anyway 2 things
Where is your plan


And how will we go tonight


Can I ask if you’re looking at these state level players to top up what we have or to replace current players?

If we had a list of 40 how many would you bring in?

I’ll wait to the list sizes are announced


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:16 am 
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No doubt each off season trading,recruitment is important however considering where we are at the moment this season off season will be crucial.

Get it right and we can push up in to the finals and get it wrong and we could slip further back.

Not sure we have the list at the moment to push in to the finals, must find some run and carry and some assistance for Cripps in the middle. Someone who can constantly get the ball at least 20+ times.

Williams and Saad sound good, would prefer Wines, Viney, Kelly or Oliver but cant see that happening.

Massive off season for the club.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:17 am 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
I’m open to trading SPS, Dow & McGovern but I doubt they have enough currency to make trading them worthwhile.

With Gov I think off the list is the trade win there.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:23 am 
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Not sure about Gibbons.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:25 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
aboynamedsue wrote:
I’m open to trading SPS, Dow & McGovern but I doubt they have enough currency to make trading them worthwhile.

With Gov I think off the list is the trade win there.


Agree. We need to make a statement with Gov. Lack of effort and showing little or no intensity is unacceptable. If he is out of contract I'd delist him. I've praised him in the past but the garbage he has dished up 2nd half of the season falls well short of what is required


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:30 am 
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I'd be reluctant to trade SPS though. When quality ball use is an area we are severely lacking in I don't think I'd trade one of our few quality ball users.


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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:53 am 
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keogh wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
keogh wrote:
BV
BB
Jonny
I’ll do a plan I’ll name players
You will do the same won’t you
Can’t be full of hot air and shit

I’ll see how big the lists are
And where we finish
First

What do you reckon
Come to the party :wink:



My plan is a few posts above.

We have a spine.
We have a ruckman.
We add the players I highlighted.

We are not that far off.

A win for Simmo tonight might be the tonic to convince the 20 A Graders who would consider coming to Carlton on less dollars than other offers.

I have already recruited players for 2021: Marchbank, Harry, Newman, Silvagni,
Add Williams, Saad, Merrett and Witherdon and there will be no "peripheral" players in our best 22.
You've already status I'm clueless.

Now I'm waiting for you to come up with something realistic.


I admire your optimism but your plan is a bit simplistic and narrow minded


I've worked at Executive level in the Corporate world enough to know nothing no carefully laid out plan is perfect, but we spin it to the public (and shareholders) as if it is. There's always a few gaps that need attention; some easier to fix than others.

Without optimism you have nothing and you will achieve nothing, and it is that attitude that will lead to ones demise and failure.

To improve things, in your situational analysis, you start the list with what you've got; your Strengths.

Then followed by a list of your perceived (internally and externally) and real Weaknesses; the gaps.

The next list, you look for growth in Opportunities for improvement and success. Some we can attain, some we miss out initilally, maybe forever.

Finally, the Threats are the final list when we look internally and externally.

You seem to start your analyisis with the last part first (Threats) and stuck in that box. Its understandable why you can't see trees for wood from that quadrant.

That's your problem keogh, not the clubs problem. Thankfully the club moves forward and we all agree Finals is the expectation in 2021. We keep improving and stoking for some additional talent to bolster the group to take the next step; same as any other club. This time we are a Destination club. We aren't that far off. We have plenty of young talent; some better than others. That's life.

I'm glad you are not making plans and decisions for the club.

Just watch the list grow and improve over the next preseason. You wont be happy because it wont suit your agenda. I will though, as will the fans who have been watching our incremental growth, which actually hasn't been much different to any of the previous Premiership Teams' journey.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:56 am 
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Mickstar wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Mickstar wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
reckon we should ask the question of any Giants player. Whitfield included. that place ain't right. rank footy.


Yeah Horse,i agree......................Whitfield grew up with Newman so there is a connection............................i reckon on what i have seen Williams would be about tenth in the queue.A little above average but thats all.



Williams hasn't been as great of late, but thatmay have something to do the disease that's going through that whole team. But Williams plays with spirit and plenty of Heart. He came in as a Rookie. Success story. He made something of his opportunity

He was involved and created a few good passages of play last night.

Hard as nails and skilled...seems what we need coz we lack it.


OK..............thanks for that Bondi............makes sense.

PS...............last i heard big Wow Jones was residing up your way.Ever run into him ? if you do,say Mick says hello.We worked together when he first arrived at the Blues.


The Castlemane lad, in Bondi? No haven't seen him. I couldn't miss him if he still has that mo, albeit grey.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2020
PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:57 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
SPS Trade
Dow Trade
McGovern Trade

Cut
O'Brien
Polson
O'Dwyer
Goddard
Moore

No idea about their progress
Owies
Philip
Phillips
Ramsey
B SOS
Honey

Retired
Simmo
Kruez

I think with that lot you can afford to keep McCreadie & Cottrell.

Based on SFA viewing and a gut feel. If Clayton Oliver is get able, throw the kitchen sink at him.

Regards Cazzesman


What if Melbourne ask for Harry would you trade him to get Oliver??
I don't think we should trade Dow or SPS they need to play midfield and I reckon it could come back to haunt us.
I see both of them with alot of upside if played in there proper positions


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